How could anarchism exist outside of 'the left'? What do you mean by 'post-left' anarchism?
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Post-Left Anarchism
I know post-Leftism takes alot of heat around here, understandable since this is a Leftist forum. What I'd like to do is see if there are any self-identifying post-Left anarchists or even anarchists without achronyms who'd be willing to share what their outlook is and how they see anarchism outside of the Left.
I'd also be interested to hear from anarchists that subscribe to the Left and their ideas on the subject such as why they feel anarchism and the Left are so closely intertwined and why the two should remain that way.
I love communists but if the discussion could keep primarily between anarchists It'd be much appreciated.
Previously Green Apostle
[FONT=Arial]A coward hides behind freedom. A brave person stands in front of freedom and defends it for others. --Henry Rollins[/FONT]
How could anarchism exist outside of 'the left'? What do you mean by 'post-left' anarchism?
Ivan "Bonebreaker" Khutorskoy16.11.2009"We won't forget, we won't forgive"
That's what I'm trying to figure out. I know that post-Left anarchism rejects the notion of revolution based on class-war and that leaves alot of open ground. I want to know if there's anyone who can tell me about it.
Previously Green Apostle
[FONT=Arial]A coward hides behind freedom. A brave person stands in front of freedom and defends it for others. --Henry Rollins[/FONT]
If it rejects the notion of class conflict as the main motivation for revolution then its a break with anarchism. People seem to think they can apply the name anarchism to anything they want because anarchism just means no government or no rules. Anarchism is the libertarian bent on socialism in its extreme form, and anarchism has no roots except in the socialist movement. Therefore if you are a 'post left' anarchist, your probably not an anarchist, you just like the word.
Last edited by Pogue; 22nd July 2009 at 18:16.
Ivan "Bonebreaker" Khutorskoy16.11.2009"We won't forget, we won't forgive"
So what would your opinion be on this article done by infoshop?
Previously Green Apostle
[FONT=Arial]A coward hides behind freedom. A brave person stands in front of freedom and defends it for others. --Henry Rollins[/FONT]
Its short, poorly written and uninformative.
Post-left anarchists don't really know what they want. I think its just intellectual wankery, trying to find a niche then defining it afterwards, and it makes no sense. They have nothing to offer and I think its for people like yourself who have some very odd ideas and almost as some sort of desperate individualism want to position yourself outside of 'the boundaries of leftism'.
Ivan "Bonebreaker" Khutorskoy16.11.2009"We won't forget, we won't forgive"
Yeah bro, I totally support post-leftism. I just got back to my mansion after a hard day biking around and dumpster diving. The rich are oppressed by Capitalism too ya know.
Infoshop is total shit. I used them for 4 years until I got sick of the post leftist/primmie bullshit that Chuck lets fill that place. But he beleives in "Big Tent Anarchism".
What's "Big Tent Anarchism"?Infoshop is total shit. I used them for 4 years until I got sick of the post leftist/primmie bullshit that Chuck lets fill that place. But he beleives in "Big Tent Anarchism"
Previously Green Apostle
[FONT=Arial]A coward hides behind freedom. A brave person stands in front of freedom and defends it for others. --Henry Rollins[/FONT]
we all set up a big tent, everywhere inside the big tent is classless and stateless
Ivan "Bonebreaker" Khutorskoy16.11.2009"We won't forget, we won't forgive"
Neat-o, I'm down with that.
Previously Green Apostle
[FONT=Arial]A coward hides behind freedom. A brave person stands in front of freedom and defends it for others. --Henry Rollins[/FONT]
Now that is terrible. The article in no-way critiques class based anarchism, but instead attacks 'authoritarian leftism', infact it seems to not understand what anarchism actually has been advocating in the past- i.e. not single issue causes. The entire article is a shambles and should really be retitled or taken off the site.
I take it you're post-Left?
Previously Green Apostle
[FONT=Arial]A coward hides behind freedom. A brave person stands in front of freedom and defends it for others. --Henry Rollins[/FONT]
Nope, I think the only practical way towards revolution is through the working class expropriating the means of production and attacking the hierarchical structures that seek to maintain and co-opt organs of struggle.
That said, I have yet to come across a decent representation of post-leftism.
Letting any idiot* call themself an anarchist, and accepting them as such.
*Post lefties, primmies, mutualists, individualists, liberals, witches, pagans, Christians, any other anti-social jackasses and freaks.
Wow... close-minded much?
Previously Green Apostle
[FONT=Arial]A coward hides behind freedom. A brave person stands in front of freedom and defends it for others. --Henry Rollins[/FONT]
Watch it, our we'll put you in the Wicker Man
What on earth prevents them from being anarchists?
They're freaks and I don't want to associate with them, much less have them be associated with the anarchist movement.
Because folks like Jack think materialist cynicism is intrinsic to anarchism.
Don't worry, we don't have a particularly strong desire to associate with you either.
