I don't need to tolerate capitalism when it works for me. I'm just a good capitalist, I know how to make mad money.
CAPITALISM ftw
Results 1 to 20 of 55
How Much Capitalism Will You Tolerate
If the Revolution does happen how much capitalism will you tolerate and for how long?
2+2=4
I don't need to tolerate capitalism when it works for me. I'm just a good capitalist, I know how to make mad money.
CAPITALISM ftw
Since there will be no revolution any time soon (if ever), you'll just need to get used to it.
EDIT: sorry, completely misunderstood this question.
How can we possibly answer that? We'll declare the world revolution, you'll start shooting us, we'll try to paralyse your army, you'll nuke us, eventually enough of your armed forces will become so sickened that they'll come over to our side, we win, we begin reconstruction on socialst lines.
How can we tell how long that process takes? That's the thing about the revolution, it's not an event, it's a process.
If you mean, "once the revolution has succeeded, how much capitalism will you tolerate for how long?", then, I would be arguing none and not at all. I mean, if we had a single cure for all forms of cancer, I can't see many people saying "how much cancer will you tolerate and for how long?"
Last edited by Blake's Baby; 18th July 2009 at 18:29.
For me personally none. I've seen both personally and as a outside viewer what capitalism does to people and no way would I tolerate it.
None, I'll set about single handedly crushing it as soon as I get my revolutionary shoes on.
Ivan "Bonebreaker" Khutorskoy16.11.2009"We won't forget, we won't forgive"
That's hobnail boots!
How could you stop it? If I want to "trade" some things I make with someone else who has other things that I may want--how can you tell us we can't?
And of course if my little trading works out--maybe I'll make and trade a number of items--and then maybe I'll trade items from other people that make things and don't want to be bothered with the trading part (I will of course do it for a slight fee--if there's no money then the maker will "give" me one of his made things as "thanks" for me doing the trading for him.)
And on and on and on till I become "Bud-Mart."
Are you actually going to STOP me from doing whateverthehell I want?
You'd be dead, so don't worry.Originally Posted by Bud Struggle
Ivan "Bonebreaker" Khutorskoy16.11.2009"We won't forget, we won't forgive"
Not much.
Before the revolution(as in now) I just learn to suck it up and live with it despite how much I hate it. After the revolution, I say smash it right away and replace it with a Socialist transitionary state. However, if neccessary to make things progress I may be willing to tolerate something similar to Lenin's NEP which included a small amount of private enterprise for the sake of making things run smoother. Mind you though Russia was in a very different situation than North America is today so such a thing may not be needed.
Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15
"There are decades when nothing happens; and there are weeks when decades happen." - Lenin
I can't envision a working class revolution nowadays that would tolerate any capitalism since it would be, by necessity, a revolution against capitalist property rights.
If we abolish capitalism, what need is there to tolerate any of it?
Capitalism will be destroyed with revolution, after it when communes are organized you can still try to make capitalism, but sorry or telling you, no one will follow you to oppress them, no one is going to follow you to steal his labor, you will just die if you try to ring back capitalism, or get to oppress each other, which will in few hours either you kill each other or realize that there is no chance to make capitalism after a successful global revolution.
If you try to do it though in a period when the revolution didnt achieved world wide, there will be zero tolerance, as you are been part of the counter revolution.
Fuserg9
COMMUNISM
You're never over
Yes, gladly.
[FONT=System][FONT=Arial][FONT=Impact][FONT=Arial Narrow]"A “mass” organ? We totally fail to understand what kind of animal this is. Do you mean to say we must descend to a lower level, from the advanced workers to the mass, that we must write more simply and closer to life? Do you mean to say our aim is to descend closer to the “mass” instead of raising this already stirring mass to the level of an organized political movement?" --V.I. Lenin
[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]"The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers." [/FONT]
[/FONT] [/FONT][/FONT]
No no no! I will be a good Communist--me and my Commune (all former members of my Country Club) will be productive and hardworking Comrades.
Originally Posted by Fuserg9
As to people following me (and those of my kind) I think that would be up to the people to decide for themselves. I don't see that it would be fair for you or anyone else to "impose" their ideal of freedom on humanity. Some people are just born followers and a few are born leaders. And after all we will all be ANARCHISTS and free to do whatever we please.
If there is going to be a Perpetual Revolution I would assume there is going to be a Perpetual Counter-Revolution also.
What complete bullshit.No one is borned to be a follower.. No one is borned to be oppressed and some fuckers like you take advantage of them.
No one is going to to force their ideas of freedom, but dont stop us on our way on our own freedom.You are the ones forcing us your stupiditys about what "freedom" is, your kind of shit goes to kill innocents in the "name of freedom", your kind puts in jail people because they got a bread to eat after 2 weeks and they accuse them for stealing, you are forcing your ideas of humanity that humanity is go and make a war, humanity is fuck the workers 24/7 and once a year make a contribution of 100 dolars in UNICEF, so no, think again who forces anything..
Fuserg9
You're never over
What complete bullshit.No one is borned to be a follower.. No one is borned to be oppressed and some fuckers like you take advantage of them.
No one is going to to force their ideas of freedom, but dont stop us on our way on our own freedom.You are the ones forcing us your stupiditys about what "freedom" is, your kind of shit goes to kill innocents in the "name of freedom", your kind puts in jail people because they got a bread to eat after 2 weeks and they accuse them for stealing, you are forcing your ideas of humanity that humanity is go and make a war, humanity is fuck the workers 24/7 and once a year make a contribution of 100 dolars in UNICEF, so no, think again who forces anything..
Fuserg9Nice speech.
But seriously--how can YOU say what people will do and what they will want. If people choose to band together and form a business because they see and advantage in working together, what business is that of yours? And if one person has more ideas and becomes their "leader" again what business is that of yours?
You seem to be so full of "no one will do THIS after the Revolution!" And "no one will do THAT after the Revolution!" I think we should just let people alone and let things play out as they will. Leave poeple alone to do what they want--that's Anarchy.
I'm willing to take my chances on the people and I think a Revolution might even to be to my advantage.
You continue not knowing what your talking about, but anw thats my fault for even getting in this "argument"..
But seriously--how can YOU say what people will do and what they will want. If people choose to band together and form a business because they see and advantage in working together, what business is that of yours? And if one person has more ideas and becomes their "leader" again what business is that of yours?
You seem to be so full of "no one will do THIS after the Revolution!" And "no one will do THAT after the Revolution!" I think we should just let people alone and let things play out as they will. Leave poeple alone to do what they want--that's Anarchy.
I'm willing to take my chances on the people and I think a Revolution might even to be to my advantage.
You're never over
The thing is when you talk about the future and Revolution NO ONE knows what they are talking about. If you asked a Communist in 1900 what Communism would look like in the future NO ONE would have described the Soviet Union in 1935 let alone 1975.
One thing is for certain though--you start a Revolution and EVERYTHING will be up for grabs.
I doubt you could cause much difficulty. If we do achieve a more just society, you asking people to give up common ownership over x, y and z and return it to you is unlikely going to be much more than an amusing anachronism, not unlike the guy who keeps running for the Presidency of France on a platform of restoring the monarchy.That's hobnail boots!
How could you stop it? If I want to "trade" some things I make with someone else who has other things that I may want--how can you tell us we can't?
And of course if my little trading works out--maybe I'll make and trade a number of items--and then maybe I'll trade items from other people that make things and don't want to be bothered with the trading part (I will of course do it for a slight fee--if there's no money then the maker will "give" me one of his made things as "thanks" for me doing the trading for him.)
And on and on and on till I become "Bud-Mart."
Are you actually going to STOP me from doing whateverthehell I want?
History shows us that it is rather more likely the danger will come in the form of our "beloved comrade leader" and while he probably will create a new capitalist class, they are unlikely to be the same people as before. They'll be the ones who were sucking up to him and playing up his "revelations on Marxist thought" during his rise to power. I think I'll be keeping a closer eye on that sort of person than on you somehow. You are free to ask to be King of France as much as you like.
Capitalism keeps revolutionizing itself before our eyes. The revolution will not be televised on YouTube.
Eppur si muove -- Galileo Galilei
[FONT=Tahoma]
[/FONT]
