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    maybe i'm blending security and sexual, but it should be up to the victim if they want to report it or not, especially if they are local.
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    well can you tell exactly what the accomodations are from the site?
    No, but they clearly list the redirect point.

    and if they do abide by "survivor's" wishes maybe they ought to try a little something most writers use called "revision"
    Why is survivor in quotes? And the passage you quoted makes perfect sense.
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    The Crimethinc convergence last year didn't take place in the same place as the RNC (a much bigger event) and that certainly didn't stop the police from infiltrating, throwing around conspiracy charges, etc, etc, etc.
    It doesn't mean we need to make their jobs easier. Crimethinc is the Mecca for pig infiltration.

    If you're organizing openly as an anarchist, especially around protests where violence will be likely, you're going to attract a whole lot of pig attention and the Crimethinc convergence isn't really going to change shit.
    The locals feel differently and you should respect their perspective given that this convergence is not necessary and does not put us at a tactical or strategic advantage in any way and only exists for silly, middle-class hipster fun.

    You don't think networking and event partying are an important part of political work?
    Yes, I do, but they're a very minor part. A part that tends to be over-emphasized by anarcho-hipsters in the US for obvious reasons. Definitely not a part that we should sacrifice our basic security for.

    And I imagine there will be plenty of workshops, etc to refine theory and practical skills.
    The workshops are always a pretense for the decadence. In my experience, even at more serious anarchist convergences, not even half the people who were there the first day show up on the workshops for the second day, because they're all hung over from partying.

    Also, at this point, we need to move beyond workshops. The skills we need to win a revolution require more practice and instruction than can be given at an annual workshop. These events, rather than encouraging people to focus on, intervene in, and build up the organs of class-war within their community, encourages them to forget about their community into a nebulous (and very unsecure) ephemeral network of strangers who honestly have little to offer in terms of long-term political solidarity for genuinely useful local struggles.

    Wasn't the conference announced before the G20?
    Yes but it was a bad idea before the G-20, and the G-20 was the straw that broke the camel's back. They should have used the G-20 as a chance to do the right thing and cancel the event, instead of opportunistically exploiting it by trying to channel anti-G-20 resistance sentiment into publicity for the convergence, by claiming the convergence is some essential part of anti-G-20 work when it actually detracts from it.
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    Is Crimethinc still a bad hippy mosh metal record label?
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    Is Crimethinc still a bad hippy mosh metal record label?

    "That's what she said."

    And no, it's not.
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    A couple years ago I couldn't picture myself saying this, but I wish I could go. I still can't make it anyways.
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    I take back what I said. Yes it is a bunch of smelly hippies being selfish and not really getting much done. I went, I was appalled, I was disappointed and I left. Fuck that selfish hippie bullshit.

    You cannot change society if you are so far removed from it that you become irrelevant to even leftists.

    Why can I not find anyone that wants to get things done and hates discussing about theory after theory and yet still takes showers and has a job? WHY?!?!?!?
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    Why can I not find anyone that wants to get things done and hates discussing about theory after theory and yet still takes showers and has a job? WHY?!?!?!?
    The obvious answer being that the absence of theory, and corresponding emphasis on action for the sake of action, lends itself to distractions and diffuse/ineffective campaigns

    I suppose we should be thankful that Crimethinc are basically harmless hippies. A few generations ago they'd probably be blowing themselves up with homemade bombs
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    Why can I not find anyone that wants to get things done and hates discussing about theory after theory and yet still takes showers and has a job? WHY?!?!?!?
    Awww. There's people like that out there somewhere, I promise.
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    So is a crimethinc convergence really as smelly as I'm assuming it is? I mean, the majority of them don't actually buy into the whole "Bathing Yourself Is Support of Capitalism" bullshit do they?
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    So is a crimethinc convergence really as smelly as I'm assuming it is? I mean, the majority of them don't actually buy into the whole "Bathing Yourself Is Support of Capitalism" bullshit do they?
    I was there for the first day. Yes just about 98%of them have dreads and smell like shit. I was very disappointed to find this out(my nose was even more dismayed). Also just a quick little fact on top of the fact that they don't shower the women don't shave.... I'm talking like their armpits and legs were hairier than mine.

    It's seriously really just not even the fact that it is gross but on a health concern level. I saw people that just had straight up spots of dirt on their body and they didn't even care. The whole not using deodorant thing is whatever(personally to me is gross), but when you start to ignore the fact that have literal dirt on your body...... it just confounds me.

    Edit:Also half of the workshops they proposed were about sex and shit. The whole thing is a sham and a shame to anarchists everywhere. Luckily I left right away after seeing it for what it was. I feel sorry for the poor kids they indoctrinate with their bullshit.
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    "dissent is the highest form of patriotism."-trying to figure that out

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    wow so much hate filled elitism and general snobbery. Omg they had Dirt on them! I have dirt on me right now, from manual labor. I guess I should go buy some soap and buy buy buy everything to make me conform to capitalist hetero normativity so my comrade won't look down on me!
    How can you hope to create class-less society when you think you're better than people who should be your comrades? Who needs police infiltration when we turn ourselves against eachother?
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    wow so much hate filled elitism and general snobbery. Omg they had Dirt on them! I have dirt on me right now, from manual labor. I guess I should go buy some soap and buy buy buy everything to make me conform to capitalist hetero normativity so my comrade won't look down on me!
    How can you hope to create class-less society when you think you're better than people who should be your comrades? Who needs police infiltration when we turn ourselves against eachother?
    Except that I am better than someone who thinks that cleanlinesses is a capitalist conspiracy or that there is something revolutionary about renouncing deodorant
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    So your worth is greater than theirs and mine because you take more showers? Despite the fact that you are over using water resources and adding lots of chemicals into the water table? And paying our overlords for this? Wow I guess I am worthless since I am a "smelly white kid". All hail our hygenic overlords! When the revolution happens I hope am not labelled a counter-revolutionary for my lack of bathing and sumarily executed. Please spare me, thou holiest of holy bathed-one.
    Is this over the top? Maybe but judgment is a slippery slope.
    This is all very off topic for this thread, I will have to start another titled "keyboard comrade elitism"
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    Originally Posted by theredson
    So your worth is greater than theirs and mine because you take more showers?
    No, its because anyone who believes that not showering, or indeed the reverse, is a revolutionary virtue is an imbecile. Simple as
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    No, its because anyone who believes that not showering, or indeed the reverse, is a revolutionary virtue is an imbecile. Simple as

    Crimethinc don't think that not showering and not using deodrant is revolutionary. Atleast understand the point they're making before critiquing.
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    Crimethinc don't think that not showering and not using deodrant is revolutionary. Atleast understand the point they're making before critiquing.
    Really?
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    Have you actually read that article?
    So try to be a little more open minded when it comes to the "crusties." Perhaps they just smell bad to you because you've never gotten a chance to discover what a real human being smells like. Perhaps there might be something worthwhile about being "unwashed" in the conventional sense that you haven't noticed before. The moral of this story is the moral of all anarchist stories: accept only the rules and values which make sense to you and really are in your best interest. Figure out what's right for you and don't let anybody tell you different"”but also, make an effort to understand where others are coming from, and evaluate their actions by your own standards, not according to some standardized norm.
    Nothing in the piece says that there's anything revolutionary about not washing, but instead you should be more considerate to those that don't because they may do it for something they consider is worthwhile, and be sceptical about the mainstream. Just because Crimethinc seem to be endorsing this, doesn't mean that they deem it as revolutionary- the same is for their position on dumpster diving.
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