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My mom, dad, and sister are all Democrats, big fans of Obama, even though my dad is fundamentally an anti-capitalist and a big fan of Horvat.
Far left without really knowing it although my sister is pretty 'class conscious' and harbours radical views. My mum, dad and sister are all anti racist, fascist, conservative and so on and support internationalism and working class unityMy mother's family shared these views too and her uncle was a union leader. They are proud of my campaign work and the fact that I regularly attend protests and demonstrations. So I suppose I'm quite fortunate.
My parents are open to my point of view and accept it so I suppose that is good in a way. They seem aligned more to liberal politics who think anarchism is "a good idea but I can't see how we could achieve it".
"Direct Action is a notion of such clarity, of such self-evident transparency, that merely to speak the words defines and explains them. It means that the working class, in constant rebellion against the existing state of affairs, expects nothing from outside people, powers or forces, but rather creates its own conditions of struggle and looks to itself for its means of action. It means that, against the existing society which recognises only the citizen, rises the producer. And that that producer, having grasped that any social grouping models itself upon its system of production, intends to attack directly the capitalist mode of production in order to transform it, by eliminating the employer and thereby achieving sovereignty in the workshop – the essential condition for the enjoyment of real freedom.” Emile Pouget
My dad is mainly Apolitical, but he is a Ayn Rand person[don't know what they call those] and greatly admires ancient sumerian capitalism. He hates communism and is obsessed with money, but is rather poor due to the capitalist system. My mom was a hardcore Reaganist republican Catholic.
[FONT=Verdana]My great grand father fought in the IRA during the Irish War of Independence against the British Imperialists then once the Treaty was singed and the Civil War started he sided with the Republicans and fought against the Free State forces. He was arrested and interned by the Free Staters and released in 1927.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]My grand father was involved in the IRA at late stages of the Border Campaign and when full scale war broke out with Brittan again in 1969 he was very active in the border areas in operations against British soldiers he was interned by the Irish Government for subversive activities for 5 years in the 70s when he was released he got involved again in the struggle and is alive today at the ripe old age of 84.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana] My Grand Mother is a protestant from a staunchly unionist family and has no real political beliefs she had a hard life being married to a republican and being a protestant the British and Unionist state forces always gave her a hard time but she is a staunchly Christian woman who raised a family of 14 sons and daughters when people didn’t have a pot to pish in so I respect her for that.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]My father joined the INLA at a young age whilst seeing first hand British oppression and Unionist oppression in Ireland living in a catholic ghetto along the border he quickly seen that the PIRA were too nationalistic and ignored the social aspect of the revolution. He is still to this day a member of the IRSP[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]My mother was a more Apolitical Nationalistic Republican who for want of a better word ignored the social implications of occupation for a more "Brits Out" and fuck the prods attitude and still believes in the old dogma of "Ireland Unfree Shall Never Be At Peace".[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]It is hard to say that I am not influenced by my family’s history in the struggle as I respect and value all of there opinions but I have come to the realization that war with Brittan at the moment is not a viable strategy and only through united working class action and agitation can we bring about a 32 County Marxist Republic.[/FONT]
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My dad votes Labour religiously. He's not a big fan of leftist politics, being in the upper 2% of incomes as he is, and despises Old Labour. He was the only member of his side of the family to support the Iraq war. He claims to have read the communist manifesto, and I think he's covering up a leftist past. His dad (my Grandad) is an Old Labour socialist, and currently disenfranchised member of the Labour party. He ran for parliament a few times in the south. He used to be a member of the Communist party.
My mum claims to have voted Greens once, and despite her proclamation of support for the Tories early on under Cameron's leadership, appears to be voting Lib-Dem wherever she can. My Grandmother on my Mum's side is basically a fascist. Hates blacks, hates gays, loves Thatcher. I also have a sneaking feeling that my brother is a closet Leninist. He aligns himself closest with the Greens, but regards them as hippies, so he just votes Lib-Dem.
So yeah. Fascists to Communists and everything in-between.
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How would killing 3,000 people and saying they didn't kill them be "the biggest conspiracy in the world" (not to mention the fact that we would by definition not know of a conspiracy unless it was operated poorly)? The Israel giving America orders and not vice-versa thing the guy argued is stupid, but saying 9/11 was a conspiracy is not and that book is still very much open in the eyes of LOTS of credible people. I don't know either way, but to laugh at people saying the US government values corporations more than people while being a communist is pretty fucking stupid on your part, and as a commie you should be a lot more open minded about this kind of stuff and not as happy to repeat what the media says.
My parents vote liberal democrats. Although i'm not sure why as they both seem vastly more left then the Lib dems.
I might set up a thread asking about peoples' grandparents views...
Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.46
Me dad's a die hard conservatist, which over here means social democrat. Mom votes for social democrats, but every time I inquire her exact political views she comes out as a reformist socialist. It appears she is only social democrat because she wants to be seen as normal.Also my grandma is a reformist socialist, and my moms dad was a red orphan from the civil war.
At least I know from whom I inherited my political views from...
father: leftist now more towards centrism
mother: apolitical, but votes more towards left to look "normal"
as for I, well i think the definitions "market anarchist", "agorist", "anarchist without adjectives" or "anarcho-pluralist" all fit.
To speculate is human; to hedge, divine
The majority of my family is apolitical, but my grandmother (whom I live with) is a die-hard republican, a hyperpatriot who is convinced that America has never and will never do anything wrong, extremely anti-communist due to an upbringing filled with government propaganda, pro-capitalist (thanks to Ayn Rand. Anywhere in the world where poverty and starvation are abounds, she says that "they should work at McDonalds), and extremely racist.
It gets very lonely around here.
my family died in the gulags
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
Hey, I think you should reread the conversation, which you clearly did not read in the first place, because the entire thing was about Zionist Israeli agents being in a position to cause 9/11 for their own benefit. When did I fucking laugh at people who think the US government values corporations more than people? I'm well aware that the US government values corporations more than people, and I think you should actually read a conversation before you select a few sentences and then try to lecture me about a point that you decide I was making.
However, the people claiming the "Illuminati" was behind 9/11, or better yet, "Jewish Masons", yes, I gladly laugh at them, they're hilarious.
My grandad gives me a bit of cash each month (helps tide me over while at uni), hes a die hard tory (Sexist, Racist and thinks the poor are just lazy). Have not informed him that I am a Marxist as he may pay for my masters or even PHD if I get into a position where I can take my studies that far. So hes in the dark for my own good. Overwise I would be pushing it through my undergrad let alone never stand a chance of offording to go further in my studies. I think I will tell him after hes been kind enough to help me cover the course costs and I am completed them.The majority of my family is apolitical, but my grandmother (whom I live with) is a die-hard republican, a hyperpatriot who is convinced that America has never and will never do anything wrong, extremely anti-communist due to an upbringing filled with government propaganda, pro-capitalist (thanks to Ayn Rand. Anywhere in the world where poverty and starvation are abounds, she says that "they should work at McDonalds
It gets very lonely around here.
But family is a mix of liberals and conservatives. Mum votes lib dem but comes across holding very socialist views at times.
Bertrand Russell "The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation."
My mother used to be in a Kurdish Hoxhaist group. While not active, she still has emotional ties to the idea of Kurdish national liberation, she still sees herself as a marxist and is quite anti-Stalinist.
My father used to be in the youth section of the official CP. While not active, he remembers his old organization very fondly and tries to defend it's past actions and ideology when we discuss. He sees himself as a marxist also.
My family in general is full of people who are or were militants of various left-wing organizations.
"Communism, as fully developed naturalism, equals humanism, and as fully developed humanism equals naturalism; it is the genuine resolution of the conflict between man and nature and between man and man – the true resolution of the strife between existence and essence, between objectification and self-confirmation, between freedom and necessity, between the individual and the species. Communism is the riddle of history solved, and it knows itself to be this solution." - Karl Marx
Pale Blue Jadal
Republican.
Conserve energy-- make love more slowly.
My Dads side of the family are very political,
My Dad represents Trade Unions in court working alongside TUC.
Grandfather used to be high up in PCS
Great Uncle is Labour Party representative for my Town and won the last local election.
Although none of them ever seem to stray into the Radical Left,
Ive never asked my dad what he is by definition, all i know is he definatly isnt a Trot as after i told him i went to a demonstration with the socialist party, he criticised me for doing so just referring to them as Trots.
Out of this comes me, a Militant Anti Fascist, Anarcho-Syndicalist.
My father is a Labour supporter; a critical one. He always moans about them - but he never goes to meetings and almost always ends up voting for them (but I think last time he went for No2EU). My mother voted for the Greens last time round, but I think she used to be a fan of Plaid Cymru, who I used to be quite sympathetic towards too.
“Left wing, chicken wing, it don't make no difference to me.” - Woody Guthrie
Very conservative on social issues, very liberal on economic issues.
"We are now becoming a mass party all at once, changing abruptly to an open organisation, and it is inevitable that we shall be joined by many who are inconsistent (from the Marxist standpoint), perhaps we shall be joined even by some Christian elements, and even by some mystics. We have sound stomachs and we are rock-like Marxists. We shall digest those inconsistent elements. Freedom of thought and freedom of criticism within the Party will never make us forget about the freedom of organising people into those voluntary associations known as parties."
--Lenin
Socialist Party (Debs Tendency)
My father is a conservative Republican, yet he voted for Obama out of the opinion that McCain is mentally ill due to several racist and militaristic statements he made during the campaign. His parents are both Republicans as well, his father used to be a fairly prominent player in the Republican Party of New York State.
My mother is a liberal with some socialist sympathies, but nothing very consistent. Her parents are both fairly liberal Democrats, her father fought in WW2 and Korea which gave him a pretty strong patriotic bent however. Her brother on the other hand is a firm socialist, was an ISO organizer for almost 15 years, and has been my guiding light in terms of politics.
