The political stance of your family?

[LOLseph Stalin]

Not to worry the corruptness of capitalisim
exspecially now during this resession should sway her.

Well the thing about my mom is that she spent alot of time on the bad, oppressed end of Capitalism. I was also brought up in these conditions growing up with her until I moved in with my dad. She was a single mother working for minimum wage with three children so to me it makes perfect sense that she would at least sympathize with leftist views. I haven't yet come out and told her directly that I'm a Communist, but I'm sure she's probably catching on due to my knowledge of the subject and my attitude towards the Bourgeoisie. Oh, and not to mention my large amount of Communist related things on facebook...

[Revy]

my mom is apolitical.....I told her I was a socialist and she was like "well that's not a big deal anymore, it's not like this is the 50's"

[Devrim]

My father was a left-nationalist Stalinist, and my mother eventually ended up in anarchism and, I think, was a member of the French Anarchist Federation. Three of my grandparents were in the Communist Party at some point including one who was a founding member.

Devrim

[LOLseph Stalin]

My father was a left-nationalist Stalinist, and my mother eventually ended up in anarchism and, I think, was a member of the French Anarchist Federation. Three of my grandparents were in the Communist Party at some point including one who was a founding member.

Devrim

Wow, Communism is in your blood. I bet your children will end up being Communist too!

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

My parents both vote Democrat but are probably closer to democratic socialists. My dad's dad was in the Mexican Communist Party when the government was really cracking down, so needless to say my pops is really paranoid. My mom works in criminal justice and is pretty centrist on criminal issues by American standards but otherwise is pretty left. My sister is pretty apolitical and asks my dad what to vote for, though she's moved a little left since she started teaching in the hood

[Pogue]

Dad always been left wing, attended alot of demos, anti-NF stuff, and young Communist/Communist party meetings but never joined, but voted for them a few times, now I'd say he's a sort of social democrat with strong sympathies towards revolutionary politics but with alot of inconsistencies.

Mums a shop steward and also left wing, in Euro elections they were both No2EU Yes To democracy kinda people.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Dad used to be in the SWP but got thrown out for squadism and Mum until recently belived the Dali lama was basically the best thing ever.

[9]

Jewish Masons

That's all you really had to say!
Honestly, though, this theory makes Alex Jones' version not only seem completely sane and coherent, but like a fucking work of scientific genius...
And more hilarious still, is the fact that I googled the author of your article, "Christopher Bollyn", to find that "9-11 Review" - an organization with the sole purpose of promoting 9-11 conspiracy theories - had an entire page on your author, Christopher Bollyn. Read for yourself (and then please leave revleft and sign up on stormfront or somewhere similarly fitting):
[FONT=sans-serif]Holocaust Denial Versus 9/11 Truth [/FONT]

[FONT=sans-serif]It is easy to find writers and websites that openly mix 9/11 skepticism with Holocaust denial or revisionism. Some of the more prominent ones are: [/FONT]

• [FONT=sans-serif]Christoper Bollyn, writer for The [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT] [/FONT]

[FONT=sans-serif]Christopher Bollyn, writing for the [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT], was the source of numerous original stories on the 9/11 coverup. Apparently because of his original reporting, Bollyn's work has been widely cited and copied. Unfortunately, this is also true of a number of hoaxes that Bollyn has promoted -- perhaps unknowingly. [/FONT]

• [FONT=sans-serif]Bollyn wrote an article misconstruing the seismic data from the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, seeding the basement bombs theory. [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]Bollyn wrote an article misinterpreting WTC 2's rising dust cloud as an explosion in Building 6, starting a hoax that would be exploited by [FONT=sans-serif]In Plane Site[/FONT]. [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]Bollyn has been one of the principal proponents of the Pentagon no-jetliner theory. [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]Bollyn apparently originated the theory that crash of Flight 93 in PA was faked. [/FONT]

[FONT=sans-serif]The [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT] [/FONT]

[FONT=sans-serif]The fact that Bollyn is extensively sourced in 9/11 skeptics' literature, combined with the fact that his employer, the [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT], has neo-Nazi associations, gives defenders of the official 9/11 myth effective ammunition with which to attack their critics. Although publications of the [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT] are generally free of racist, white-supremicist, or anti-Semitic content, its sister publication, [FONT=sans-serif]The Barnes Review[/FONT] overtly promotes such ideologies. Consider the following facts. [/FONT]

• [FONT=sans-serif][FONT=sans-serif]The Barnes Review[/FONT] praises Hitler as deserving of the Nobel Prize [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]The [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT] and [FONT=sans-serif]The Barnes Review[/FONT] share the same address [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]The [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT] and [FONT=sans-serif]The Barnes Review[/FONT] promote each other [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]Christopher Bollyn has been a guest on David Duke's show a number of times [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]The [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT] was founded by Right Wing ideologue Willis Carto [/FONT]

[FONT=sans-serif]The American Free Press was founded by Willis Carto, believed by some critics to be the leading exponent of anti-Semitism in the [/FONT][FONT=sans-serif]United States[/FONT][FONT=sans-serif] in the latter half of the 20th century. Carto, widely considered a white supremacist, was co-founder of the Institute for Historical Review, which has championed Holocaust revisionism and has been accused of being a neo-Nazi organization. Carto also founded [FONT=sans-serif]The Barnes Review[/FONT], and the Liberty Lobby, best known for publishing the now-defunct paper [FONT=sans-serif]The Spotlight[/FONT]. Carto and other editors from [FONT=sans-serif]The Spotlight[/FONT] went on to establish the [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT].
[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Carto owned the Liberty Lobby for the whole of its existence. During the 1970s, as the old anti-Communism of the 1950s and 1960s fell out of favor, Carto redefined the public image of Liberty Lobby, increasingly taking on the public image of populist rather than conservative or right-wing. In 1975, Liberty Lobby began publishing a weekly newspaper called The Spotlight, which ran news and opinion articles with a very populist and anti-establishment slant on a variety of subjects, but gave little indication of being extreme-right or neo-Nazi. However, The Spotlight, critics charged, was intended as a subtle recruiting tool for the extreme right, using populist-sounding articles to attract people from all points on the political spectrum including liberals, moderates, and conservatives, and special-interest articles to attract people interested in such subjects as alternative medicine, while the newspaper subtly incorporated anti-Semitic and white racialist undertones in its articles, and carried advertisements in the classified section for openly neo-Nazi groups and books. [/FONT]

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well, I think that about does it. I will not continue this discussion in this thread, seeing as it is not the topic of this thread. If you would like to continue this discussion, start a new thread about it and we can continue it there.
Sorry to everyone else for the digression from the intended topic.

[LeninBalls]

My dad is completely 100% apolitical, but is always like "Cool!" when he sees my commie stuff like books or my Lenin badge or whatever.

My mother says she's a socialist, because her uncle and grandmother were die hard commies. She's a member of the Socialist Party (some Irish trot party :/) but to be honest she's not that knowledged on radical left wing politics and I think she's only developed an interest in it and says she is because her boyfriend, her son and some of her family are reds.

[Hoggy_RS]

Both my parents are strongly Fine Gael(Centre Right). In fact my great grandfather was a fine gael TD(MP). My old man freaks when he hears me go on about communism. He simply can't see that its capitalism that has failed us.

[The Iraqi Communist]

Both my Grandpas were Marxist all the way till their death in a prison hospital.

My pops always been a Marxist, he changed though more into Guevarism, when he became a guerilla fighter during the 80's. Now, thats hes old, he supports the Chinese model... Not the old one, but the modern one with different economical ideals introduced into communism.

My mom, born leninist, will die leninist. Why? I don't know, shes just hardcore Leninist.

[RedAnarchist]

My family are mostly Labour supporters.

My grandparents politics are unknown, but from what I could tell from my grandfathers (one of my grandmothers died before I was born and the other died when I was a kid), is that they both would probably never vote anything right of Old Labour, although my paternal grandfather once voted Liberal Democrats,

My maternal grandparents were normal Northern, working-class people who were brought up in the 1930s - they even had a black dog in the 1960s whose name was the n-word. I would call them Old Labour, but maybe on the right of it.

My paternal grandparents were also normal Northern, working-class people and were also Catholic. I don't know how they were when my dad was young, but my gradnparents never seemed too devoutly or strictly Catholic. From what I could tell, I would call them centrist.

My dad is a strong Labour supporter. He hates racism, is generally accepting of gay/bi people and is fairly modern in his views. I would probably put him around the centre-left, maybe even a mild social democrat.

My mum was pretty much the same. She opposed the Iraq War, was fairly modern in her views. She voted Labour like my dad, and probably was also a mild social democrat.

My sister is quite apolitical, but when she does say anything political, it tends to be similar to the views of the average Labour supporter. I would call her centre-leftist.

One of my brothers is a very, very ardent athiest, and detests the BNP. He can be quite right-wing in his views, mostly when it comes to crime and immigration, so I would call him a centre-right liberal.

Another of my brothers is rather apolitical, but tends to have liberal views. I would call him a centre-left liberal.

The third brother is quite left-wing in his views but apolitical. I would probably call him a social democrat.

My other relatives tend to be average Labour supporters. As far as I know, there are few political extremists in my family and noone is far right-wing. As for my views, they tend to be quite tolerant of them.

[fabilius]

My father used to be socialist but as he got older he became more conservative. Always pro-welfare system though, so I guess he´d have to be categorized as a social democrat. He´d describe himself as apolitical.

My mother is the same, a more left leaning social democrats. They are really both liberals.

My grandparents on mother side were marxists.
On father´s side, I don´t know.

[RedDragon]

My parents both vote Labour (despite currently not being big fans of the Labour Party) and I would say they are social democrats. They seem pro the welfare state and do criticise capitalism but don't want to get rid of it, just make it 'better.' They aren't big fans of communism (although they did buy me the Communist Manifesto) but this is probably due to a lack of understanding of what communism really is.

[Anarkiwi]

That's all you really had to say!
Honestly, though, this theory makes Alex Jones' version not only seem completely sane and coherent, but like a fucking work of scientific genius...
And more hilarious still, is the fact that I googled the author of your article, "Christopher Bollyn", to find that "9-11 Review" - an organization with the sole purpose of promoting 9-11 conspiracy theories - had an entire page on your author, Christopher Bollyn. Read for yourself (and then please leave revleft and sign up on stormfront or somewhere similarly fitting):
[FONT=sans-serif]Holocaust Denial Versus 9/11 Truth [/FONT]

[FONT=sans-serif]It is easy to find writers and websites that openly mix 9/11 skepticism with Holocaust denial or revisionism. Some of the more prominent ones are: [/FONT]

• [FONT=sans-serif]Christoper Bollyn, writer for The [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT] [/FONT]

[FONT=sans-serif]Christopher Bollyn, writing for the [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT], was the source of numerous original stories on the 9/11 coverup. Apparently because of his original reporting, Bollyn's work has been widely cited and copied. Unfortunately, this is also true of a number of hoaxes that Bollyn has promoted -- perhaps unknowingly. [/FONT]

• [FONT=sans-serif]Bollyn wrote an article misconstruing the seismic data from the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, seeding the basement bombs theory. [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]Bollyn wrote an article misinterpreting WTC 2's rising dust cloud as an explosion in Building 6, starting a hoax that would be exploited by [FONT=sans-serif]In Plane Site[/FONT]. [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]Bollyn has been one of the principal proponents of the Pentagon no-jetliner theory. [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]Bollyn apparently originated the theory that crash of Flight 93 in PA was faked. [/FONT]

[FONT=sans-serif]The [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT] [/FONT]

[FONT=sans-serif]The fact that Bollyn is extensively sourced in 9/11 skeptics' literature, combined with the fact that his employer, the [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT], has neo-Nazi associations, gives defenders of the official 9/11 myth effective ammunition with which to attack their critics. Although publications of the [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT] are generally free of racist, white-supremicist, or anti-Semitic content, its sister publication, [FONT=sans-serif]The Barnes Review[/FONT] overtly promotes such ideologies. Consider the following facts. [/FONT]

• [FONT=sans-serif][FONT=sans-serif]The Barnes Review[/FONT] praises Hitler as deserving of the Nobel Prize [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]The [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT] and [FONT=sans-serif]The Barnes Review[/FONT] share the same address [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]The [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT] and [FONT=sans-serif]The Barnes Review[/FONT] promote each other [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]Christopher Bollyn has been a guest on David Duke's show a number of times [/FONT]
• [FONT=sans-serif]The [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT] was founded by Right Wing ideologue Willis Carto [/FONT]

[FONT=sans-serif]The American Free Press was founded by Willis Carto, believed by some critics to be the leading exponent of anti-Semitism in the [/FONT][FONT=sans-serif]United States[/FONT][FONT=sans-serif] in the latter half of the 20th century. Carto, widely considered a white supremacist, was co-founder of the Institute for Historical Review, which has championed Holocaust revisionism and has been accused of being a neo-Nazi organization. Carto also founded [FONT=sans-serif]The Barnes Review[/FONT], and the Liberty Lobby, best known for publishing the now-defunct paper [FONT=sans-serif]The Spotlight[/FONT]. Carto and other editors from [FONT=sans-serif]The Spotlight[/FONT] went on to establish the [FONT=sans-serif]American Free Press[/FONT].
[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Carto owned the Liberty Lobby for the whole of its existence. During the 1970s, as the old anti-Communism of the 1950s and 1960s fell out of favor, Carto redefined the public image of Liberty Lobby, increasingly taking on the public image of populist rather than conservative or right-wing. In 1975, Liberty Lobby began publishing a weekly newspaper called The Spotlight, which ran news and opinion articles with a very populist and anti-establishment slant on a variety of subjects, but gave little indication of being extreme-right or neo-Nazi. However, The Spotlight, critics charged, was intended as a subtle recruiting tool for the extreme right, using populist-sounding articles to attract people from all points on the political spectrum including liberals, moderates, and conservatives, and special-interest articles to attract people interested in such subjects as alternative medicine, while the newspaper subtly incorporated anti-Semitic and white racialist undertones in its articles, and carried advertisements in the classified section for openly neo-Nazi groups and books. [/FONT]

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well, I think that about does it. I will not continue this discussion in this thread, seeing as it is not the topic of this thread. If you would like to continue this discussion, start a new thread about it and we can continue it there.
Sorry to everyone else for the digression from the intended topic.

I aint a holocaust denier,
you deny what israle is doing in gaza aint a holocaust?

nice touch there at the bottom

Zionist say anti zionisim is [FONT=sans-serif]anti-Semitism but it is not
it is anti racisim anti facisim and anti capitalisim.
[/FONT]

[gorillafuck]

I aint a holocaust denier,
you deny what israle is doing in gaza aint a holocaust?[FONT=sans-serif]
[/FONT]

No, what Israel does to Gaza is not "a holocaust".

[9]

I aint a holocaust denier,
you deny what israle is doing in gaza aint a holocaust?

nice touch there at the bottom

Zionist say anti zionisim is [FONT=sans-serif]anti-Semitism but it is not
it is anti racisim anti facisim and anti capitalisim.
[/FONT]

The remarkable thing to me about this is that you have absolutely no idea what my position in regards to Zionism is. So you know that I'm a Jew, presumably, and you know that I think conspiracy theories about Zionist Jews carrying out the 9/11 attacks are rooted in anti-Semitism. I think such beliefs are rooted in anti-Semitism (whether conscious, subconscious, or unconscious) because of the implications that would naturally have to follow this idea. Let's look at some of the present physical facts about Israel, first: Israel is a 20,000 square kilometer Nation-State smaller than New Jersey (the US - with 6,000,000 sq km - is 300 times bigger than Israel), with a population of only seven million (the US - with a population of 307 million - has 43 times the number of citizens), which is heavily reliant on the US for military funding. The US is the singular world superpower - an imperialist State that has colonies, literally, across the globe and political power greater than any other nation by far. The supposition, therefore, that a country such as Israel (you make no class specification, no nothing) is so powerful that not only do "its" interests immediately override the interests of the ruling elite in the US, but that Israel is so powerful and so miraculously influential that the US superpower's ruling elite is willing to jeopardize its own very existence to allow Israeli government agents to enter the US, destroy two landmarks and murder 3,000 citizens on US soil, in what would be the most ingeniously orchestrated and incomparably biggest conspiracy in the history of the world, and all because Israel decided it needed more US support for its aggression against the indigenous Palestinian population. Consistent in all of this is one key leap in logic that is very curious, which is the assumption that Israel, not the US, was behind the attacks. Frankly, I think all the conspiracy theories about 9/11 are ridiculous, but I can at least understand the basis in reason for a person to conclude that it was carried out by the US - its the most powerful country in the world, it needed to hike popular support for its own wars in the Mid East to secure economic hegemony in the region - I understand very well why a person could conclude that the US government was responsible, though I don't buy it. But a tiny country like Israel? No, I don't see any logical thought processes WHATSOEVER behind such a conclusion, but I am perceptive enough to make a deduction about what such a conclusion implies: that the people in Israel are not like the people anywhere else in the world, that they have superhuman power and influence over international affairs and superhuman means of exerting this influence. You yourself may not even be consciously aware of it because it is not overt (ie you are not explicitly saying "the Jews are behind it!") but the anti-Semitism inherent in the conclusions of such a conspiracy theory is absolutely present on an implicit level.
To address your statement that anti-Zionism is anti-racism and anti-fascism, my response is no, "anti-Zionism" in and of itself does not mean anything other than "opposition to Zionism", and is perfectly compatable with racism or fascism, just not "Western" racism/fascism, and some liberals seem to think that somebody else's racism/fascism is "good" racism/fascism so long as it is opposed to imperial "Western" powers, which I find perplexing. However, again, "anti-Zionism" by itself does not imply anything with regard to either racism or fascism - it is a single issue label, and other labels are needed to accompany it if it is to express a position on racism and fascism. However, I identify myself as an anti-Zionist, and I am an outspoken opponent of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and I am adamantly against any form of "Jewish State". And yes, I consider what Israel is doing to the Palestinians to be ethnic cleansing, comparable to the ethnic cleansing perpetrated by the Europeans upon the Native Americans from the late fifteenth century onward. However, all of this does not somehow mean that I must keep my mouth shut when I see anti-Semitic sentiments being paraded around as anti-Zionism (again, whether you are conscious of the anti-Semitic connotations or not, I assure you, any historically-conscious Jew that hears it WILL BE IMMEDIATELY, and no this is not the result of Zionist propaganda, its the result of understanding what happened to our families two generations ago). Because it is precisely the kind of claims you are making and then presenting as "legitimate anti-Zionism" which allow the US and Israeli elite classes to perpetuate the bullshit "criticism of Israel = anti-Semitism" claim, because in every lie there is a kernel of truth. Unfortunately, I see this shit growing in scope and intensity on a regular basis, becoming popular amongst certain sectors of liberals, and I'm worried that people like you who think what you are promoting is legitimate will not grasp the danger of this sort of conspiracy theory until after its gained too much momentum to be stopped. And I wish there was some way to spell it out more clearly.

[Madvillainy]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Most of my fam are Irish republicans. My brother and mother are both apolitical. I don't think any of my family come close to being socialist.[/FONT]

[Post-Something]

Dads a social democrat with conservative social views.
Mums a socialist with even more conservative social views.

My mother doesn't care as long as it has nothing to do with religion (devout muslim), and dad is an ardent anti-communist, but partial to socialist ideas. He's just really against the idea of "revolution".

[LOLseph Stalin]

Considering I have only told about my mom and dad so far I thought I would tell about the rest of my family as well. My sister doesn't really seem to care much about politics unless she just doesn't talk about it. However she is a hardcore Atheist/Anti-Theist(probably even more so than me) so I'm sure the aspect of Communism regarding religion would appeal to her greatly. I'm sure she has probably suspected I'm some kind of Socialist or Communist because of the stuff on my facebook page. She hasn't asked about it or anything so who knows?

Then there's my half-brother who is too young to really understand politics. I probably won't bother with him until he's quite a bit older.

The rest of my relatives are probably mixed. A few of my aunts are probably Conservative, considering they married simply for money and are Bourgeois pigs now. The aunt that my mom is closest to is probably more left-wing since she's not extremely wealthy. I tend to notice that people with less money are typically more left-wing(usually). There's also my grandparents, uncles, and various cousins I have absolutely no idea about since my family just doesn't discuss politics much. However, I have one grandpa who is a Korea veteran so I think I know his stance on Communism and that's probably where my dad got his Anti-Communist stance from...