My parents always voted labour
My views are a lot different then the labour party
but then again the labour party of old is not the labour party of today.
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The political stance of your family?
I have always been curious about what people's parents believe as it often seems as though children inherit their parents' political opinions. There are probably loads of exceptions to this but if you take, for example, my class in the school I used to go to. The daughter of a tory MP was a member of the youth parliament and supported Thatcher, the daughter of a very environmentally aware family supported the Green party, the daughter of lib dem voting parents wanted to vote for the lib dems. It goes on like that.
I know my dad usually votes for the labour party or doesn't vote at all (he's apolitical really), but I didn't know until recently that my mum is a socialist. I wonder how much of an effect growing up around those values had, even if we never discussed politics. I thought she'd be fazed by me announcing 'I think I support the communist party', but she just said 'Oh, that's nice. I used to go to meetings when I was younger.'
So what do your parents think politically and do you think it has influenced you at all? Also, if you had children would you make a conscious effort to bring them up with your ideals or would you leave them to develop their own views?
My parents always voted labour
My views are a lot different then the labour party
but then again the labour party of old is not the labour party of today.
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My family is kind of strange when it comes to politics. My dad for example is generally Apolitical yet he still manages to hold views on some things. He never votes, he has many economic views which lean to the left such as supporting social services(yet he hates paying taxes.), but then he's basically Fascist when it comes to crime. He wants to be extremely tough on criminals. The saddest parts of his views however is his Anti-Communist position. I could never tell him I'm a dirty Red.
My mom is also quite Apolitical and doesn't vote, but simply because she doesn't really like any of the parties. She doesn't really take a particular view on many things, being extremely open-minded to all ideas. She believes 9/11 was a government conspiracy set up by the US government though to invade Iraq for oil.She used to have mixed feelings about Communism believing that the leaders had good intentions, but used horrible methods. I then explained Communism a bit better to her and she agreed that it's the way that society should be, but that it's impossible because of the corruption created by money.
Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15
"There are decades when nothing happens; and there are weeks when decades happen." - Lenin
My parents are leftists, but sometimes lapse into left-liberalism, which I have to snap them out of.
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My parents are liberal and would only vote center left. My dad gets on my case for being far left and his dad's case for being far right, but he thinks Obama is too conservative. My mom isn't really political but holds some strong opinions, though is still just center left. My uncle is the most radical and his politics has rubbed off on me. He is a former member and activist of the CPUSA, but now kind of devotes all of his energy to Obama. which is a shame.
Edit: My father's parents are neo-conservatives. Voted for Bush twice, have owned businesses, support war in the middle east, etc.
My mother's father was center right, I think he voted for Clinton once(whatever that means) and my mother's mother was far left and really influenced me.
By the way, my mother's brothers both voted for Ross Perot. I think they're clinically retarded.
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My Parents voted McCain. That sum it up?
"I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying." -Wilde
"Beaucoup de clopes! Beaucoup de vin! Beaucoup de rhum! Viva la révolution!"- Bilan
"The Sun shines. To hell with everything else!" -Stephen Fry
Sadly, yes.
Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15
She believes 9/11 was a government conspiracy set up by the US government though to invade Iraq for oil.
Anyway, on the topic, my parents were Democrats when I was younger. When I got into my mid-teens, I started to really step back and look at things. It didn't take me long to realize how fucked up capitalism is, and I started talking to my parents about it. My dad - whose family is fiercely conservative - became a much more liberal Democrat as a result of our conversations, but at a certain point, he refused to abandon his comfortable myths about American exceptionalism. He still cheers on Obama, even though he is sixty years old and unemployed as a result of capitalism and its apologists like Obama. My mother, on the other hand, was able to abandon these myths, and even the labour Zionist myth, though it visibly shattered her pride for a time after. I try to get in touch with her regularly and we always have political conversations. From what I can gauge, we are now in agreement about almost everything politically. I was really impressed by her willingness, when I engaged her, to accept logic and abandon over half a century of indoctrination.
My dad is a left-liberal and so is my mom. My mom sympathizes with socialists though and is very proud that I am a communist (she's a social worker so she sees what capitalism does to the most unfortunate people in society constantly).
Well of course it's more complicated than that, but I have to say it's definitely a start that my mom realizes that there's definitely something fishy about US foreign policy. She does know that those Capitalists will do anything for money, and the Iraq invasion being one. She also hates how most of the Bourgeois parties want to privatize everything. Maybe I could influence her?
Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15
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no but israle needed it so people in america
stoped crying foul over the genocide in palestein
so american citizens and not just govt support israles
racist policies.
you would be like cheWell of course it's more complicated than that, but I have to say it's definitely a start that my mom realizes that there's definitely something fishy about US foreign policy. She does know that those Capitalists will do anything for money, and the Iraq invasion being one. She also hates how most of the Bourgeois parties want to privatize everything. Maybe I could influence her?
his mother wasent a leftist but she ended up being one.
Damn!you would be like che
his mother wasent a leftist but she ended up being one.Hehe...
Anyway, there's no hope for my dad, but a bit more for my mom. Too bad she wasn't more interested in politics so I could actually have a better chance to sway her.
Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15
Not to worry the corruptness of capitalisimDamn!
Anyway, there's no hope for my dad, but a bit more for my mom. Too bad she wasn't more interested in politics so I could actually have a better chance to sway her.
exspecially now during this resession should sway her.
Mom - NDP sympathies. My mom is a stereotypical awesome mother. She puts a lot into myself and my sister. My sister has learning disabilities, and I have had problems with depression. Both of our medical issues are marginalized by capitalism. While her position isn't as enlightened and education as people say we're supposed to be about politics, I really think politics isn't that complicate. She has common-sense leftist sympathies.
Dad: My Dad worked extremely hard to acquire his wealth. He is somewhat conservative, but the business world actually is becoming more liberal socially. It's just when it comes to money. He has misconceptions about what communism is, and he is mainly worried about his interests being misrepresented.
Half-Brother. Not sure his social opinions. He was raised incredibly Christian, but he told me he was voting NDP once (social democrat).
Step-Dad: Comes from a long line of people who vote liberal almost no matter what because you just vote liberal, period. I don't understand it. It's a family tradition of some sort.
Sister isn't old enough and has no interest in politics anyway. Sadly, she's probably somewhat conservative, but she is very easy to convince either way. If I believed in voting, I could convince her to vote for whoever party I thought was best. This is somewhat frustrating as I think my sister needs her interests represented, but by age 18, I very much doubt she'll be capable of making an informed decision. This is true for a lot of people without disabilities, though.
So my family is left-leaning. I just immediately become more left as I heard about the ideas. Pessimism could eventually make me reform my views, according to Churchill (youth are always communist). However, I'd like to think I remain committed to improving society in a revolutionary way. Being a revolutionary requires a lot of optimism, I think, though.
Even if communism is a good idea, we have 50 people ready to refute our arguments as soon as we make them. It feels like a losing battle sometimes.
Mom is apolitical. Yet my dad claims to be center-right but routinely quotes Marx and supports a rudimentary welfare state.
"Face the world like a roaring blaze, before all the tears begin to turn silent. Burn down everything that stands in our way. Bang the drum."
Right, the US government took the illogical risk of orchestrating and carrying out the single biggest attack in US history (and the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world) in which it killed 3,000 of its own citizens on its own soil at Israel's request because some American citizens were opposed to the actions of the government of Israel. Give me a break. The next statement in this line of 'reasoning' is: "and the Shoah is just a hoax perpetrated by the Jew-Zionists to make people sympathetic to them" followed by "the Jewish Conspiracy created the Swine Flu virus". And then you start talking about the Jew-hive and sign up on stormfront.com
All the "leftists" who think that the US is an Israeli client-state are either the absolute epitome of ignorance, or, consciously or unconsciously scapegoating Israel (which almost always translates, in this context, to "the Jews") to avoid the sense of responsibility that might accompany the fact that Israel is primarily a US-client state. But I understand - when things get rough, "blame the Jews!" Its much easier to blame a minority ethnic group for fucking you over, because that way you can continue to see people in terms of "the Sons of Light" (inherently good) and "the Sons of Darkness" (inherently evil) and then proceed to suck your thumb and drink your mother's milk and marvel at shiny objects.
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My belief in this theory aint nothing to do with jews mate
i dont hate jews and never will i hate there religion yes there state yes
how does a people who were put into concentration camps turn around and do it to another people,
i dont blame an minority ethnic group called jews i blame a minority political group called zionist.
Does it not occur to you that
stands in complete contradiction to the statement that directly preceded it:
Perhaps my memory of history has failed me and my grandparents were filling me with lies, but I could have sworn that it wasn't "6,000,000 Zionists" who perished in the Shoah....
Mossad: The Israeli Connection to 9/11
By Christopher Bollyn – American Free Press April 10, 2005
U.S. investigators and the controlled media have ignored a preponderance of evidence pointing to Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, being involved in the terror attacks of 9/11.
From the very morning aircraft smashed into the World Trade Center (WTC) and the Pentagon, news reports have indicated Israeli intelligence being involved in the events of 9/11 ? and the planting of "false flags" to blame Arab terrorists and mold public opinion to support the pre-planned "war on terror."
Shortly after the destruction of the twin towers, radio news reports described five "Middle Eastern men" being arrested in New Jersey after having been seen videotaping and celebrating the explosive "collapses" of the WTC.
These men, from a phony moving company in Weehawken, N.J., turned out to be agents of Israeli military intelligence, Mossad. Furthermore, their "moving van" tested positive for explosives.
Dominic Suter, the Israeli owner of Urban Moving Systems, the phony "moving company," fled in haste, or was allowed to escape, to Israel before FBI agents could interrogate him. The Israeli agents were later returned to Israel on minor visa violations.
The Assistant Attorney General in charge of criminal investigations at the time was Michael Chertoff, the current head of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Chertoff, the son of the first hostess of Israel's national air carrier, El Al, is thought to be an Israeli national.
One of the Israeli agents later told Israeli radio that they had been sent to "document the event": the event which took the lives of some 3,000 Americans.
Despite the fact that the Israelis arrested in New Jersey evidently had prior knowledge or were involved in the planning of 9/11, the U.S. mainstream media has never even broached the question of Israeli complicity in the attacks.
Israelis Forewarned
On September 12, 2001, the Internet edition of The Jerusalem Post reported, "The Israeli foreign ministry has collected the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack."
Yet only one Israeli was killed at the WTC and two were reportedly killed on the "hijacked" aircraft.
Although a total of three Israeli lives were reportedly lost on 9/11, speechwriters for President George W. Bush grossly inflated the number of Israeli dead to 130 in the president's address to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001.
The fact that only one Israeli died at the WTC, while 4,000 Israelis were thought to have been at the scene of the attacks on 9/11 naturally led to a widespread rumor, blamed on Arabic sources, that Israelis had been forewarned to stay away that day.
"Whether this story was the origin of the rumor," Bret Stephens, the Post's editor-in-chief wrote in 2003, "I cannot say. What I can say is that there was no mistake in our reporting."
Odigo Instant Messages
Evidence that Israelis had been forewarned several hours before the attacks surfaced at an Israeli instant messaging service, known as Odigo. This story, clear evidence of Israeli prior knowledge, was reported only briefly in the U.S. media ? and quickly forgotten.
At least two Israel-based employees of Odigo received warnings of an imminent attack in New York City more than two hours before the first plane hit the WTC. Odigo had its U.S. headquarters two blocks from the WTC. The Odigo employees, however, did not pass the warning on to the authorities in New York City, a move that could have saved thousands of lives.
Odigo has a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain demographics, such as Israeli nationality.
Two weeks after 9/11, Alex Diamandis, Odigo's vice president, reportedly said, "It was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message.?
The Internet address of the sender was given to the FBI, and two months later it was reported that the FBI was still investigating the matter. There have been no media reports since.
Odigo, like many Israeli software companies, is based and has its Research and Development (R&D) center in Herzliya, Israel, the small town north of Tel Aviv, which happens to be where Mossad's headquarters are located.
Shortly after 9/11, Odigo was taken over by Comverse Technology, another Israeli company. Within a year, five executives from Comverse were reported to have profited by more than $267 million from "insider trading."
Through Israeli "venture capital" (VC) investment funds, Mossad spawns and sponsors scores of software companies currently doing business in the United States. These Israel-based companies are sponsored by Mossad funding sources such as Cedar Fund, Stage One Ventures, Veritas Venture Partners, and others.
As one might expect, the portfolios of these Mossad-linked funding companies contain only Israeli-based companies, such as Odigo.
Reading through the strikingly similar websites of these Israeli "VC" funds and their portfolio companies, one can't help but notice that the key "team" players share a common profile and are often former members of "Israel's Intelligence Corps" and veterans of the R&D Department of the Israel Air Force or another branch of the military. Most are graduates of Israel's "Technion" school in Haifa, Mossad's Interdisciplinary Center (IDC) in Herzliya, or a military program for software development.
The IDC, a private, non-profit university, is closely tied to the Mossad. The IDC has a "research institute" headed by Shabtai Shavit, former head of the Mossad from 1989 to 1996, called the International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism.
The IDC also has a "Marc Rich Center for the Study of Commodities, Trading and Financial Markets" and a "Lauder School of Government, Diplomacy and Strategy." The cosmetics magnate Ronald S. Lauder, who is a supporter of Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his far-right Likud Party, founded the Lauder school.
Lauder, president of the Jewish National Fund and former chairman of New York Governor George Pataki's Commission on Privatization, is the key individual who pushed the privatization of the WTC and former Stewart AFB, where the flight paths of the two planes that hit the twin towers oddly converged. Ronald Lauder played a significant, albeit unreported, role in the preparation for 9/11.
Pataki's wife, Libby, has been on Lauder's payroll since at least 2002 and reportedly earned $100,000 as a consultant in 2004. According to The Village Voice, between 1994 and 1998, Gov. Pataki earned some $70,000 for speaking to groups affiliated with Lauder.
The Ptech Cutout
Ptech, a mysterious software company has been tied with the events of 9/11. The Quincy, Massachusetts-based company was supposedly connected to "the Muslim Brotherhood" and Arab financiers of terrorism.
The firm's suspected links with terrorism resulted in a consensual examination by the FBI in December 2002, which was immediately leaked to the media. The media reports of the FBI "raid" on Ptech soon led to the demise of the company.
Ptech "produced software that derived from PROMIS, had an artificial intelligence core, and was installed on virtually every computer system of the U.S. government and its military agencies on September 11, 2001," according to Michael Ruppert's From the Wilderness (FTW) website.
"This included the White House, Treasury Dept. (Secret Service), Air Force, FAA, CIA, FBI, both houses of Congress, Navy, Dept. of Energy, IRS, Booz Allen Hamilton, IBM, Enron and more," FTW reported.
"Whoever plotted 9/11 definitely viewed the FAA as the enemy that morning. Overriding FAA systems would be the most effective way to ensure the attacks were successful," FTW reported. "To do this, the FAA needed an evolution of PROMIS software installed on their systems and Ptech was just that; the White House and Secret Service had the same software on their systems ? likely a superior modified version capable of 'surveillance and intervention' systems."
But did the U.S. government unwittingly load software capable of "surveillance and intervention" operations and produced by a company linked to terrorism onto its most sensitive computer networks, or was Ptech simply a Mossad "cutout" company?
Oussama Ziade, a Lebanese Muslim immigrant who came to the U.S. in 1985, founded Ptech in 1994. But the company's original manager of marketing and information systems was Michael S. Goff, whose PR firm, Goff Communications, currently represents Guardium, a Mossad-linked software company.
And Goff comes from a well-to-do line of Jewish Masons who have belonged to Worcester's Commonwealth Lodge 600 of B'nai Brith for decades. So, why would a recently graduated Juris Doctor in Law leave a promising law career to join forces with a Lebanese Muslim's upstart company sponsored with dodgy funders in Saudi Arabia?
"As information systems manager [for Ptech], Michael handled design, deployment and management of its Windows and Macintosh, data, and voice networks," Goff's website says. "Michael also performed employee training and handled all procurement for software, systems and peripherals."
AFP asked Goff, who left the Worcester law firm of Seder & Chandler in 1994, how he wound up working at Ptech. "Through a temp agency," Goff said. Asked for the name of the agency, Goff said he could not remember.
Could it be Mossad Temps, or maybe Sayan Placement Agency?
Goff, the original marketing manager for Ptech software, said he did not know who had written the code that Ptech sold to many government agencies. Is this believable?
Goff leaves a legal practice in his home town to take a job, through a temp agency, with a Lebanese Muslim immigrant who is selling software, and he doesn't know who even wrote the code?
AFP contacted the government agencies that reportedly have Ptech software on their computers, and IBM, to ask if they could identify who had written the source code of the Ptech software.
By press time, only Lt. Commander Ron Steiner of the U.S. Navy's Naval Network Warfare Command had responded. Steiner said he had checked with an analyst and been told that none of the Ptech software has been approved for the Navy's enterprise networks.
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