Please Explain This

[Dust Bunnies]

[QUOTE=Richard Nixon;1489602]

North Korea was a puppet of the Soviets back then and nowadays the Chinese so your point? Also the majority of South Koreans supported their government so the North Korean invasion was unjust aggression. Also some examples of North Korean war crimes:

http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/POWs...ean-War_1.html

Some US warcrimes: http://www.counterpunch.org/stephens05132005.html (1975-2005). North Koreans didn't support their government? So that's why they still supported them even in the worst days of being shoved into the mountains? Also South Korea is a puppet of the US, always has, always will and North Korea wasn't really a puppet. If I remember correctly they didn't rely on the Soviets for aid.

Then why do you criticize the US when we refuse to trade with certain dictators such as Castro. Is it not you want to list every foreign policy move the US has ever made and call it a case of imperialism?

No I'm the guy who lists stuff. :P


Why do we criticize? Because of the Caribbean nations, Cuba is the best of them and unlike their neighbors, not dictatorial and poor.

[Richard Nixon]

[QUOTE=Dust Bunnies;1489612]

Some US warcrimes: http://www.counterpunch.org/stephens05132005.html (1975-2005). North Koreans didn't support their government? So that's why they still supported them even in the worst days of being shoved into the mountains? Also South Korea is a puppet of the US, always has, always will and North Korea wasn't really a puppet. If I remember correctly they didn't rely on the Soviets for aid.

However only the Chinese saved them from total collapse in the Korean War just as much as the South Koreans were dependent on the US for their own survivial.

[Dust Bunnies]

[QUOTE=Richard Nixon;1489617]

However only the Chinese saved them from total collapse in the Korean War just as much as the South Koreans were dependent on the US for their own survivial.

Just because you call a nation in once doesn't mean you're their puppet. We called in the French during the Revolutionary War so I guess we're France's puppet? Is there a bunch of Chinese military bases in the DPRK?

[danyboy27]

is it really that necessary?

has i said earlier its obvious that you will NEVER be able to change the opinion of your main opponent.

you both have a full bag of what the other side did wrong, what about giving up the bags and looking for common idea to develops and idea to share instead of that useless and futile argumentation on who was the most evil?

doing that is more likely to change things, neverending argumentation on who the worst motherfucker wont.

look, both of you support unions, both of you support free healthcare and social services, both of you are tired of stupid monopoly of big fat cat corporation, for differents reason of course but the fact is, you have common idea, developing the bad ones wont change jack shit.

[Dust Bunnies]

is it really that necessary?

has i said earlier its obvious that you will NEVER be able to change the opinion of your main opponent.

you both have a full bag of what the other side did wrong, what about giving up the bags and looking for common idea to develops and idea to share instead of that useless and futile argumentation on who was the most evil?

doing that is more likely to change things, neverending argumentation on who the worst motherfucker wont.

look, both of you support unions, both of you support free healthcare and social services, both of you are tired of stupid monopoly of big fat cat corporation, for differents reason of course but the fact is, you have common idea, developing the bad ones wont change jack shit.

But his end goal is to keep the things the way they are. My goal goes much further than his. So for him to come to middle ground with me would be a step backwards for me and a step forwards for him.

[Brother No. 1]

Then why do you criticize the US when we refuse to trade with certain dictators such as Castro.

Last time I remembered the US did an embargo on Cuba that made life very horrible.
Now before the Revolution the US "liberated" Cuba from Spain and made it a puppet with horrible life/politics. Also I dont know any Marxist the US traded with.

[danyboy27]

damn, at least i tried, but look like that whole stalin vs the west debate will remain forever.

[Dust Bunnies]

damn, at least i tried, but look like that whole stalin vs the west debate will remain forever.

Well what do you expect from a board filled with leftists including people who like the Soviet Union?

[danyboy27]

Well what do you expect from a board filled with leftists including people who like the Soviet Union?

i dunno, not being in the OI all day and actually talking to leftist who share their point of view instead of going on a neverending thread against some hardcore capitalist who wil never change their mind about something they think they are right?

this is revleft right? 9 980 leftist and about 20 people in the OI, 20 people most people dont care about, but for some random reason some people develop a passion at making hardcore cappies pissed on futile subjects

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Why? Because every death Stalin had, whether it was a good death or an accidental, "oops he wasn't a Capitalist agent" death, was a death that went towards aiding the proletariat of the Soviet Union.

Um, no. How could a completely pointless death possibly aid the proletariat of the Soviet Union? Sure, if you kill someone who really was a capitalist agent, then yes, you've helped the proletariat. But if you kill someone who wasn't a capitalist agent, then you've just killed an innocent person for no good reason at all. How is that helping anyone?

And there can be no doubt that Stalin killed huge numbers of people who were not capitalist agents and posed no danger to the Soviet Union. At best, that is criminal carelessness. Don't tell me there was no better way to tell apart the guilty from the innocent. Unintentionally assigning guilt to hundreds of thousands of innocent people would be a feat of colossal stupidity.

[Rosa Provokateur]

2. radically new or innovative; outside or beyond established procedure, principles, etc.: a revolutionary discovery.

So allowing all people in the world to eat a meal and have shelter is bull shit? Having a great work ethic is shit? If you have kids don't teach them to share because then that's Communistic and bull shit.

AnarchoCapitalist societies will last for a very short time if they ever come to exist. Instead of Warlords who are easily put down by violence, Corporations will pop up, be even more powerful, and end up being the new government.

There's nothing innovative about the Left. Just the constant re-packaging of Marx, Proudhon, and Bakunin with Lenin sometimes thrown in for extra flavor (or lack of).

No, thinking that the Left can do that is what's bullshit. After the failures of Russia, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea, and Cuba you'd think Leftists would catch on and see a pattern. Guess not.

Well suppose I dont wanna work? When Communists take over they always draw up these grand plans on building new stuff and expect everybody to go lock-step working on it. Why should people sacrifice for such nationalism when it usually never benefits them personally?

Teach your kids to share, by all means. Dont teach them to sacrifice for some abstract like nation, race, or class; revolution for the individual's sake, everything else is secondary.

Who ever said anything about society? I have no interest in society, I want freedom for me, my friends, and those around me... nothing abstract like society or class.

[Rosa Provokateur]

[QUOTE=Dust Bunnies;1489644]

Is there a bunch of Chinese military bases in the DPRK?

No, too many North Koreans would run to them for sanctuary

[danyboy27]

[QUOTE=Green Apostle;1491008]

No, too many North Koreans would run to them for sanctuary

ROFL good one