There's a huge difference between a concious born human being and a clump of cells that will eventually develop into a human if allowed to do so.
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On Abortion
Do leftists support abortion or not? As a pro-life person I find it contradictory that leftists talk about the equalitly of all human beings yet many of them support abortion who kill hundreds of thousands each year. Your views will be appreciated.
There's a huge difference between a concious born human being and a clump of cells that will eventually develop into a human if allowed to do so.
I don't want to use the traditonal anti-abortion cliches but a fetus does have a beating heart. It will become a human being as you said and is there any true difference with an 8 month old fetus and a few days old newborn?
It may have a beating heart, but does anyone recall being a fetus? People do not remember anything from before 2 years old.
I can't speak for anyone else, but abortion is only okay to me in certain situations, such as a rape that resulted in a pregnancy, or if you know it is going to be miserable and live with a terminal illness, though that is the decision of the parents.
I'd much rather see a fetus grow and be given the chance to live. Abortions should never do the job of condoms.
That's more or less my views on abortion except that I find it rather self-contradictory that the rapist is not executed yet the fetus as a result of it is aborted.
Can a fetus live outside of the womb? It is not alive because it is not self sustaining.
An immediatly born baby will also die if left alone and until 2 or 3 years old they cannot fend for themselves.
Right, but that can be cared for outside of the womb. I wasn't talking about dying after a while, we all die some day. I'm talking about not being able to perform basic functions (breathing, moving, eating, drinking etc). So far none have survived before 22 weeks, and most of those born even just a few weeks earlier have mental or physical disabilities.
Yes it will, but it's not a parasite surviving solely off the mother's own nutrients. Outside the womb it still needs to be fed by the mother, but it's not being fed with her own nutrients so yes, there's a difference.
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Yeah there is, and if the issue didn't carry such religious and moralistic baggage this would be clear as day to most people. Birth is when you are recognized by society as being a person.
Unless you're religious... Blah,blah, blah...
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Well yes. But the debate comes down to do women have the right to have an abortion. I say yes. Whether I personally think abortion is a good idea or would want a women I was involved with to have one is irrelevant. It is her right.
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I think anyone that rapes a child should be executed.
Yes, they do... I would rather women not just abandon using prior protection and just have sex, get pregnant, and abort. But its their decision to do whatever they want to their offspring & bodies. so yeah, I concur!
Who the fuck has sex thinking they're going to get pregnant and abort it?
A person isn't defined by a beating heart.
A 8 month old fetus and a baby are different in some very important ways. For examples, the baby can develop memories, opinions, relationships, thoughts and feelings etc.; the baby can interact in human society as a person, and most importantly, the baby is no longer using the woman's body to survive.
Even if the fetus was a 'person' it wouldn't have the right to use the woman's body against her will.
Richard Nixon, yes, the fetus will develop into a human being if allowed to do so. But if it isn't allowed to do so then that is of no consequence. You don't call playing conkers deforestation, so why on earth would terminating a fetus be compared to murder?
The issue of abortion is basically about women having the right to control their own bodies. Obviously the left overwhelmingly supports that, as should you.
I think abortion is a small issue used to distract the people from the real cause of millions of murders; I think it does no good illegalizing it anyways because people will still do it just as much so if you want to get something good go to the source of why people actually have abortions.
According to this board no.
I'm against abortion and against capitalism and the state, however the former cancels out the latter on this board.
How do folks against abortion feel about the morning-after pill? Isn't that technically an abortion? (If a child was concieved)
Edit; Did some quick searching and found out that the morning after pill doesn't work if the child is concieved. So forget the above.
Does anyone know when a child is concieved after sex?
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To tell you the truth I hav'nt thought about it, considering however that the main purpose is to stop contraception, rather than abort, I don't think I'd have a problem with it.
You guys should probably welcome it, as it has been the major factor in the slight decrease in abortions here.
Source (Norwegian)
Although the tendency of decrease wasn't that much when I checked some tables at the statistics. (statistics are in english)
On the other hand "the reason why the emergeny pill is controversial is because it in some cases works by stopping a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus" (link).
Couldn't find a better source on the last than wiki, so I don't know what the medical consensus on it is.
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