i dont worship che. i find it very disrespectful to do so to.
i like to show respect by reading his books, and wearing my shirt. but as to worship, NO!!
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i notice that a lot here hold Che to be above us. i find that odd. if Che were here, would he not want to be beside us? all i ask is that you dont worship Che. i feel that it would insult his teachings. respect.
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i dont worship che. i find it very disrespectful to do so to.
i like to show respect by reading his books, and wearing my shirt. but as to worship, NO!!
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jaha, thats a strange assumption. we believe in his cause, and respect his ways. we dont herald him as a lord or saviour, so ease up ay?
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There was another thread on this and someone said
If Karl Marx was the grandfather of communism, Che was the torchbearer.
Che played a VERY large role in establishing and fighting for socialism around the globe. He is no longer with us and we cannot stand 'beside' him. I am no Che. I have not done 1/1000th of what he has done and i wont claim to. I do not "worship" Che, but i do respect and admire him for his contribution to mankind.
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here is my opinion, and i could be wrong.
do not idolize individuals. they do nothing. individuals are isolated, therefor defeated.
think of this,
che without castro, nothing.
fidel without the captain of the grandma which sailed them to cuba, nothing.
the revolution without the popular peasant support, nothing.
you see, even in america dangerous leaders are idiolized. Idolized as individuals. like i said earlier, individuals are isolated and defeated.
take the civil rights movement. do you think martin luther king did anything you couldnt do. no. nothing. MLK without his organizers and support? nothing.
did rosa park act alone? of course not, but they dont teach you that in school. over 8 years of planning went on in secret over the bus boycott. they will have you believe that 1 person acts alone and all of a sudden mass change results, but that is simply not the case.
you are taught this in school from the beginning, all these great leaders, never once is the support or orginizatino behind it mentioned....
Techguru, good reasoning there. But individuals make up the masses, and particularly inspiring individuals, poeple who stand up and make things happen, like, uh, Che Guevara, for example, should be made into examples for the purpose of initiation, initiative and action. Don't you think?
The prolonged barrage engulfed Zero-One in the glow of a thousand suns. But unlike their former masters with their delicate flesh, the machines had little to fear of the bombs' radiation and heat. Thus did Zero-One's troops advance outwards in every direction. And one after another, mankind surrendered its territories. So the leaders of men conceived of their most desperate strategy yet. A final solution: the destruction of the sky.
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Sorry to ***** about this but you can't say that Rosa Parks did or did not act alone in finally standing up to the system as no one knows why she took a stand on that bus.
There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror... --- Mark Twain
I just worship his ideals and idolize his actions.
Muere lentamente quien no viaja,
quien no lee,
quien no escucha música,
quien no halla encanto en sí mismo.
Muere lentamente
quien destruye su amor propio;
quien no se deja ayudar.
suffian, yea i agree.
born, i dont agree. no one knows why? look, rosa park came out of a community of organized people that had been working for a very long time for change. maybe you dont know why she did what she did, because all you know is the bullshit that bounced off the wall at school. but if you investigate it a bit, you can find out.
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taken from www.understandingpower.com
6. Rosa Parks attended the Highlander Folk School's 1955 School Desegregation Workshop, and in December of that year began the Montgomery Bus Boycott. Tennessee officials shut down the Highlander School in 1962, after it had been attacked by white segregationists and others as a "Communist training school." A new institution, the Highlander Research and Education Center, was founded in its wake. Highlander had been a meeting place for various Socialist and Communist associations, and its founders "envisioned the rise of a radical coalition in support of an aggressive, interracial movement of industrial workers and farmers in the South," although "neither [its founder Myles] Horton nor any other faculty member ever took the final step and joined the Communist party." See John M. Glen, Highlander: No Ordinary School, Knoxville: University of Tennessee Press, 1996, pp. 162-164, 54-55; Frank Adams, Unearthing Seeds of Fire: The Idea of Highlander, Winston-Salem, NC: John F. Blair, 1975.
For a remarkable and inspiring book about Highlander and its founder, see Myles Horton, The Long Haul: An Autobiography, New York: Teachers College Press, 1998.
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there. please dont say something like no one knows again. life is not this mysterious thing that individuals are changing without any help, well thats what they would have you believe. and that was my original point, so think about that.
I agree with this.
Moreover, when knowing Ches life, you see that he got such a personality that too many of the things he later achieved guess it would be really difficult to actually become a reality if it wasnt for it.
I think its not a matter of worshipping Che, but of recognizing what he really did to overcome oppression and lack of justice, wherever it happened..., and trying, all of us, to follow his ideals.
HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!
\"Así se resignará (el oprimido) a vivir una vida que no es la suya como si fuera la única posible.\"
\"Thus he (the oppressed) will resign himself to live a life that is not his, as if it was the only possible one.\"
Eduardo Galeano.
It's kind of a hard line to draw sometimes.
Someone does something heroic and we are inspired by the person and the deed...it reveals something about what people might do if they really wanted to.
On the other hand, we've seen people on this board who really do, in a way, "worship" or "deify" this or that historical figure (don't have to mention any names here, do I?). And we KNOW that's wrong!
I, too, have not done and will never do 1/10,000th of what Che did. I did one thing he did; I lived my life calling no man "master". I think anybody CAN do that.
We are not able at this point to overthrow a monstrously unjust social order; but there's really nothing to stop us from breaking the chains of capitalist ideology inside our own heads. That's how Che began; that's the beginning for all of us. What happens next, time will tell.
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Yep, redstar!
Besides, we all aint got to forget that Che himself had on a very high standard Marx -as an INDIVIDUAL that thought of and achieved what he did. In those days we could think Che "worshiped" Marx, which would be wrong... Che RECOGNIZED the meaning of Marx as a honest, wise individual, who, even more, gave the people, the suffering people, a way of giving them a much better world to live in, specially through teaching them how the "system" actually works and how it could be defeated...
HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!
\"Así se resignará (el oprimido) a vivir una vida que no es la suya como si fuera la única posible.\"
\"Thus he (the oppressed) will resign himself to live a life that is not his, as if it was the only possible one.\"
Eduardo Galeano.
Maybe, once again, we should look at his quote :
I'm not a liberator
Liberators do not exist
The people liberate themselves
That is the way he doesn't want to be worshipped
Hasta la victoria siempre !
i dont worship him, but just only because he didnt wont it. he was not that kind of guy who wanted to be a god. he wanted to open eyes! but i think he liked it to be loved by the people. very often i saw him laugh.
you can worship god, but not Che. Che was a human (a wonderful) who fought for poor people all over the world. fight against kapitalism, thats all. than you have a good character (che said that!)
I think Che was a very special individual.
He hated being the center of attraction, or, as you are saying, being worshipped. He didnt feel comfortable with those kinds of things. In fact, he didnt used to take himself too seriously: he always said he physically looked a lot like the Mexican comediant Cantinflas (which is very true, btw!).
He hated privileges on himself. If the rest of the people around him wasnt be able to eat, then he wouldnt, either. And he would be the very first one in the combat zone, not caring ever or thinking ever to be KIA. He wouldnt delete any responsability on other ones if he thought it was his.
HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!
\"Así se resignará (el oprimido) a vivir una vida que no es la suya como si fuera la única posible.\"
\"Thus he (the oppressed) will resign himself to live a life that is not his, as if it was the only possible one.\"
Eduardo Galeano.
