View Poll Results: Which is the Great American Novel?

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  • The Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne

    0 0%
  • Moby-Dick, or, The Whale by Herman Melville

    1 2.33%
  • The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain

    2 4.65%
  • The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald

    4 9.30%
  • The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway

    1 2.33%
  • The Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner

    1 2.33%
  • The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck

    7 16.28%
  • The Jungle by Upton Sinclair

    3 6.98%
  • Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison

    2 4.65%
  • To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee

    4 9.30%
  • Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut

    3 6.98%
  • On the Road by Jack Kerouac

    4 9.30%
  • The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger

    5 11.63%
  • Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon

    0 0%
  • Other

    6 13.95%

Thread: The Great American Novel

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    Thomas Wolfe is a real prick.
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    In terms of ambition I'd name From Here to Eternity by James Jones as a contender for the "Great American novel." For those who've only seen the regressive movie version, put your memories of that aside.

    At 800 pages it addresses race, class, anti-semitism, heterosexual relations, homosexuality, religion and working class rebellion. One of the main characters is a Wobbly who appears in the section about life in the stockade and gets a lot of good anti-capitalist and anti-establishment dialog.

    The book is awkwardly written in places but it's worth reading. Although it takes place in the months before the attack on Pearl Harbor in the American colony of Hawai'i, it's clear that Jones was talking about the prosperous and privileged contemporary US of the 1950s, and linking the origins of that prosperity to the post-war US hegemony that was established in the 1940s.
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    Mccarthy's blood meridian novel is THE American novel.
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    What about The Wonderful Wizard of Oz?

    Maybe that would be a serious contender for a sub-category, the Great American Children's Novel. Its influence is above and beyond.

    I've thought about it, and it might have elements which suggest a criticism of the idea of the "American Dream".

    Here's an article which goes into detail about possible political interpretations.

    It's interesting, I think the scarecrow is the farmer, or farmworker, the "Tin Woodman" (called Tin Man in the movie) is the industrial/factory worker. The Witches of the four corners might be the railroads, and the Wizard of Oz is probably the President. Maybe that's reading too much into it, though.
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    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey is my pick
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    It's interesting, I think the scarecrow is the farmer, or farmworker, the "Tin Woodman" (called Tin Man in the movie) is the industrial/factory worker. The Witches of the four corners might be the railroads, and the Wizard of Oz is probably the President. Maybe that's reading too much into it, though.
    I was always taught it was a piece of satire that had something rather arcane to do with the silverback movement, that's what was the contradiction in the yellow brick road and "over the rainbow" (all dealing with a gold backed currency) and the idea of the magician being a paper tiger, and how it was meant as a piece of satire that the movie made into a totally different cultural phenomena
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    According to Wiki, the concept of the great American novel is at the same time "the Holy Grail" for American writers, i.e., the best American novel ever written, the American response to the "national epics" of other nations, and the novel that best represents the "spirit of life" in the United States.
    So it's a nationalistic literary canon which excludes poetry (you big shitters) and drama (you immense shitters)?
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    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey is my pick
    Ditto.
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    So it's a nationalistic literary canon which excludes poetry (you big shitters) and drama (you immense shitters)?
    there's nothing inherently nationalistic about the great american novel, but it is a great american novel for a reason as it portrays life in america
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    So it's a nationalistic literary canon which excludes poetry (you big shitters) and drama (you immense shitters)?
    I see no reason why poetry and drama should automatically be excluded because something is a "national epic". The Tale of Sundiata (Mali), for instance, is probably best categorized as poetry, as are the the homeric epics of Greece. The wayang-wong of Bali is, and has always been, a theater production.

    It remains to be seen whether a talented poet or playwrite can produce a masterpiece that sums up the accomplishments of a people. In fact, some will argue that Coppola has already done this.
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    Yes, but the great American novel. Anyhoo, the spirit of American life, as with any culture, evolves. England, for example, is nothing like what you read about in Beowulf.
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    What about Catch-22 and Johnny Got His Gun?
    Catch-22 is definitely waaay up there.
    One why only one Hemingway, and not even his best, in my opinion.

    Also, you may not know this, but there is a book called The Great American Novel by Philip Roth, that's what I thought the tread was going to be on.
    Yeah, I've not read that one, but I think Roth's about as close to a Great American Novelist as they come. He'd definitely get my vote for the Great Jewish-American Novelist, anyway.
    Umm, Sylvia Plath - the Bell Jar? Does that get a place anywhere?
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    ...Sylvia Plath - the Bell Jar? Does that get a place anywhere?
    The "Great American Novel" seems to be a male dominated endeavor, but Gertrude Stein's The Making of Americans is a pretty good contender.
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    Catcher in the Rye is my favourite novel of all time so it gets my vote. Closely followed by One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest which has been mentioned a couple of times.
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    I never really enjoyed "Gatsby" - but it's winning what's the appeal or why do people think it's the more representative of America? Because capitalism is presented as a gangster?

    I honestly get so bored by books about elites in their elite social circles (from "Jane Eyre" to "Gatsby" to "Less than Zero") even when they are critical of the upper class.
    I have to say I totally agree. I started reading it earlier on this week and I just cannot bother to keep on reading. Even though Fitzgerald is critical of this bourgeois lifestyle every thing they say and do sickens me. I need to have some affinity with the protagonist in a novel else the book is wasted on me.
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    Yes, but the great American novel. Anyhoo, the spirit of American life, as with any culture, evolves. England, for example, is nothing like what you read about in Beowulf.
    Damn it - I have to cancel my travel plans again. At least it saves me the trouble of having to check my word-horde at the gate. Damn, and I was looking forward to that famous Meade I've heard so much about too.

    Generally national epics have been overtly nationalistic but it also depends on the era when they were written. Classical and imitation classical epics tend to be about the founding of the nation and what defines the "national" charter.

    At other times, National epics have also been very anti-nation and pro-populace: Inferno and Canterbury Tales were written in the "national" language and are generally critical of their local rulers as well as of the church and feudal structures.
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    The "Great American Novel" seems to be a male dominated endeavor, but Gertrude Stein's The Making of Americans is a pretty good contender.
    Also Wise Blood by Flannery O'Connor.
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    I have to say I totally agree. I started reading it earlier on this week and I just cannot bother to keep on reading. Even though Fitzgerald is critical of this bourgeois lifestyle every thing they say and do sickens me. I need to have some affinity with the protagonist in a novel else the book is wasted on me.
    I'm also of this faction. Given that the novel is all about plot, what interest is there in the life of somebody who has nothing but luxury and oftentimes totally miserable while suffering nothing.

    Mind you, I have this book of Pinter essays and somewhere's referenced a play about self-indulgent rich people, but that sounds interesting because gradually the 'outside' develops.

    And no love for An Inspector Calls? I love it because it shows how the bourgeoisie suffer over nothing. Priestley. I might even pointlessly draw attention to him being a Yorkshire lad
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