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    I've been hearing the term "post-left anarchism" a lot lately. I was given a pamphlet the other day, I can't recall the title, which was covered with quotes by someone named "Bob Black". Unfortunately, I left it on the bus before I got the chance to read it. So I looked him up online to find he is an advocate of "post-left anarchism". In attempting to understand what the hell post-left anarchism means, I've been looking it up online, and I have yet to find any concrete ideology behind it - just blanket criticism of left-anarchism without offering any alternative. So does anyone on here understand the theory behind it, assuming there is any theory behind it at all?
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    Short word: Reformist Anarchist. They think revolution will not help the cause.
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    Short word: Reformist Anarchist. They think revolution will not help the cause.
    Not necessarily.

    Post-left anarchyism is more characterised as a contemporary form of anarchism that rejects class as an integral or pivotal aspect of its belief system. Post-left anarchy is often associated with lifestyle anarchist politics and to some extent can have evolutionary ideas of change.
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    Yeah as above. Except i'd add that post-left comes outside of typical anarchism in that it rejects what it views as Marxist infiltration into libertarianiam. They view all leftist ideologies as archaic and in need of revitalisation - they believe they have the remedy.

    They reject traditional leftist tactics which attempt to engage in class struggle such as workplace and community agitation, demonstrations and direct action.

    Instead these self-proclaimed radicals see setting up facebook groups, eating quorn and talking about how great it would be if there wasn't a government as their preferred form of, ahem, activism.

    Crimethinc (US) is about as close as you get to this form of lifestylist, elitist and pseudo libertarian ideology.
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    Yeah as above. Except i'd add that post-left comes outside of typical anarchism in that it rejects what it views as Marxist infiltration into libertarianiam. They view all leftist ideologies as archaic and in need of revitalisation - they believe they have the remedy.

    They reject traditional leftist tactics which attempt to engage in class struggle such as workplace and community agitation, demonstrations and direct action.
    Haha, yeah this is about what I've gotten out of it, which still tells me nothing. But I'm realizing that it tells me nothing because there is nothing to tell, which is hilarious... an ideology based on criticizing other ideologies while offering nothing as an alternative - that's got to take the cake for futility. I can literally find nothing in terms of the "post-left anarchist" economic position, again (and perhaps I am wrong), because it seems there is no economic position.. yeeeah, that's some remedy, economic nihilism.
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    Instead these self-proclaimed radicals see setting up facebook groups, eating quorn and talking about how great it would be if there wasn't a government as their preferred form of, ahem, activism.
    P.S.
    Irrelevant as it is, I have to ask... what is quorn?
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    It's a meat substitute: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorn
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    They reject traditional leftist tactics which attempt to engage in class struggle such as workplace and community agitation, demonstrations and direct action.
    From what I see of the Crimethinc website--these people seem to be Anarchist without Communism. It kind of makes them a bit hollow inside. More hippie than anything else.
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    Bob Black is a snitch and an idiot, the only good thing to ever have come out of him is his essay, The Libertarian As Conservative: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5065/libcon.html

    Basically a criticism of the US based pseudo-libertarians. Essentially post lefties have come to dominate Infoshop.org, to the point where I have abandonded the site entirely due to the idiocy.

    This is Black's most famous "work", The Abolition of Work: http://www.primitivism.com/abolition.htm

    All I can say is it's worth reading to understand their position, but there's only about 2 sentences of value in the entire thing. I can garuntee all post lefties are middle class, petit bourgeois, or bourgeois teenagers.
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    [...] an ideology based on criticizing other ideologies while offering nothing as an alternative - that's got to take the cake for futility.
    This frankly summarizes all anarchist ideology.
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    Bob Black is a snitch and an idiot, the only good thing to ever have come out of him is his essay, The Libertarian As Conservative: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5065/libcon.html

    Basically a criticism of the US based pseudo-libertarians. Essentially post lefties have come to dominate Infoshop.org, to the point where I have abandonded the site entirely due to the idiocy.

    This is Black's most famous "work", The Abolition of Work: http://www.primitivism.com/abolition.htm

    All I can say is it's worth reading to understand their position, but there's only about 2 sentences of value in the entire thing. I can garuntee all post lefties are middle class, petit bourgeois, or bourgeois teenagers.
    I still don't get it. I just read his whole essay or speech or whatever it was on right-Libertarians, which is all fine and good and I'm inclined to agree with most of his points there (just as, I'm sure, Paul-tards are inclined to agree with most of his criticisms of left-libertarians), but the closest thing to an ideology I can squeeze from it is some sort of anarcho-primitivism. I give up.
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    I still don't get it. I just read his whole essay or speech or whatever it was on right-Libertarians, which is all fine and good and I'm inclined to agree with most of his points there (just as, I'm sure, Paul-tards are inclined to agree with most of his criticisms of left-libertarians), but the closest thing to an ideology I can squeeze from it is some sort of anarcho-primitivism. I give up.
    It's easy to sum up:

    If it's contructive, it's bad.

    Work sucks

    "Would you hate your best friend if they won the lottery because they would be rich"? (total disregard for class)

    Organization isn't anarchist.
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    This frankly summarizes all anarchist ideology.
    I'm quite happy to offer you an alternative and indeed point you in the direction of the countless books written on the subject.

    Either that or you could employ the google search engine and type in the word "anarchism", that will probably do the trick.
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    Post-left anarchists are post-modern anarchists. From post-modernism, they take the idea that all ideologies are oppressive and/or obsolete. They are anarchists in the sense that they reject hierarchies. They don't have a set group of ideas. Instead, they are an association of people who loosely adhere to the above ideas.
    "We are now becoming a mass party all at once, changing abruptly to an open organisation, and it is inevitable that we shall be joined by many who are inconsistent (from the Marxist standpoint), perhaps we shall be joined even by some Christian elements, and even by some mystics. We have sound stomachs and we are rock-like Marxists. We shall digest those inconsistent elements. Freedom of thought and freedom of criticism within the Party will never make us forget about the freedom of organising people into those voluntary associations known as parties."
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    It's easy to sum up:

    If it's contructive, it's bad.

    Work sucks

    "Would you hate your best friend if they won the lottery because they would be rich"? (total disregard for class)

    Organization isn't anarchist.
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    I'm quite happy to offer you an alternative and indeed point you in the direction of the countless books written on the subject.

    Either that or you could employ the google search engine and type in the word "anarchism", that will probably do the trick.
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    From what I see of the Crimethinc website--these people seem to be Anarchist without Communism. It kind of makes them a bit hollow inside. More hippie than anything else.
    Why is anarchism hollow without communism? Plenty of anarchists would not fit the the word communist as commonly used. There's Thoreau, Proudhon, Warren, Tucker, Spooner, Voltairyne de Cleyre, and legions of their followers. Who are you to ship them off the proverbial ideological gulag? (excuse the pun my red friends)
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    Why is anarchism hollow without communism? Plenty of anarchists would not fit the the word communist as commonly used. There's Thoreau, Proudhon, Warren, Tucker, Spooner, Voltairyne de Cleyre, and legions of their followers. Who are you to ship them off the proverbial ideological gulag? (excuse the pun my red friends)
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    I still don't get it. I just read his whole essay or speech or whatever it was on right-Libertarians, which is all fine and good and I'm inclined to agree with most of his points there (just as, I'm sure, Paul-tards are inclined to agree with most of his criticisms of left-libertarians), but the closest thing to an ideology I can squeeze from it is some sort of anarcho-primitivism. I give up.
    Dear Dirty Rotten Pinko Commie,

    Out of sheer intellectual curiosity, would you apply the term "Paul-tard" to (right-)libertarians who strictly follow Ron Paul alone or also to Anarcho-Capitalists who supported his campaign out of a wish to propagandize the cause?

    I'll be much obliged to hear your response,

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