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    Originally Posted by rockthemandolin
    Haha, yeah this is about what I've gotten out of it, which still tells me nothing. But I'm realizing that it tells me nothing because there is nothing to tell, which is hilarious... an ideology based on criticizing other ideologies while offering nothing as an alternative - that's got to take the cake for futility. I can literally find nothing in terms of the "post-left anarchist" economic position, again (and perhaps I am wrong), because it seems there is no economic position.. yeeeah, that's some remedy, economic nihilism.
    Gotten out of what, exactly?

    You don't appear to have actually read anything other than that irrelevant link (to the topic at hand) the idiot Jack posted, but are sure lapping up the ad-hominem attacks the idiots here are throwing (hai2u Jack, see how you're not the only one who can play the ad-hom game, idiot).

    I'm not about to start spoon-feeding you excerpts from shit if you're incapable of reading them on your own, ("What I really want to see is work turned into play...", "Develop american samizdat network, replace outdated publishing/propaganda tactics", but my bad I said I wouldn't do that)

    Here are a couple more fun links that you will never read, awesome!

    And lol, if words are too hard to read, here's a perty comic book for you:

    https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/495...c.Book.Version
    we do swap with fake money and make time for disappear

    We're moving from a physical war fought with weapons to an economic war fought with information. We must restructure our business to fight this war and challenge our business models, cost models, etc. It is all shifting.

    Their entire emphasis now toward silence, impersonation, opposition masquerading as allegiance.
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    Hah, and the post-left anarchists starts slithering out of the woodwork.
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    Dear Dirty Rotten Pinko Commie,

    Out of sheer intellectual curiosity, would you apply the term "Paul-tard" to (right-)libertarians who strictly follow Ron Paul alone or also to Anarcho-Capitalists who supported his campaign out of a wish to propagandize the cause?

    I'll be much obliged to hear your response,

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    I tend to apply the term "Paul-tard" to all right-"Libertarians" (or, more aptly, private authoritarians).
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    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The major difficulty in any analysis of anarchism is that the term covers extremely conflicting doctrines.
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    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]No more conflicting that the term Marxism. People have various interpretations of anarchism, that can be problematic, but it doesn't prove that anarchism does not offer alternatives...[/FONT]
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    The root of the word comes from the term anarche, meaning opposition to authority or commands.
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    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]No it doesn't. The Greek word anarchía actually means "without ruler". [/FONT]
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    My point is that this is broad enough to cover a host of different political doctrines.
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    That wasn't your point at all! Your point was the anarchism doesn't offer alternatives.
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    Why is anarchism hollow without communism? Plenty of anarchists would not fit the the word communist as commonly used. There's Thoreau, Proudhon, Warren, Tucker, Spooner, Voltairyne de Cleyre, and legions of their followers. Who are you to ship them off the proverbial ideological gulag? (excuse the pun my red friends)
    What followers and where are they? From what I've seen they tend to be just found on the internet, and completely irrelavent.

    Meanwhile we communist anarchists have organizations, newspapers, and history as more than just a philisophical movement. The only thing non communist anarchism has ever been is an individual's ideology and philosophy, not a movement and never important.
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    Dear Dirty Rotten Pinko Commie,

    Out of sheer intellectual curiosity, would you apply the term "Paul-tard" to (right-)libertarians who strictly follow Ron Paul alone or also to Anarcho-Capitalists who supported his campaign out of a wish to propagandize the cause?

    I'll be much obliged to hear your response,

    Nerditarian
    Self proclaimed anarchists supporting politicians? No wonder we don't take you seriously, this is another reason why you are not anarchists.

    Paultard refers to all you pseudo-libertarians.
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    Gotten out of what, exactly?

    You don't appear to have actually read anything other than that irrelevant link (to the topic at hand) the idiot Jack posted, but are sure lapping up the ad-hominem attacks the idiots here are throwing (hai2u Jack, see how you're not the only one who can play the ad-hom game, idiot).

    I'm not about to start spoon-feeding you excerpts from shit if you're incapable of reading them on your own, ("What I really want to see is work turned into play...", "Develop american samizdat network, replace outdated publishing/propaganda tactics", but my bad I said I wouldn't do that)

    Here are a couple more fun links that you will never read, awesome!

    And lol, if words are too hard to read, here's a perty comic book for you:

    https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/495...c.Book.Version
    When did I use an ad-hominem, I didn't attack anyone specifically, I said your "ideology" is bullshit and you are probably under the age of 21, as are most of your buddies.
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    What followers and where are they? From what I've seen they tend to be just found on the internet, and completely irrelavent.

    Meanwhile we communist anarchists have organizations, newspapers, and history as more than just a philisophical movement. The only thing non communist anarchism has ever been is an individual's ideology and philosophy, not a movement and never important.
    Because it was smaller than communist anarchism it's wrong?

    The same argument could be used against communist anarchists by State communists: because it has much less followers and much less historical influence it doesn't count.

    Let's belittle it and launch our hate at it.
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    Because it was smaller than communist anarchism it's wrong?

    The same argument could be used against communist anarchists by State communists: because it has much less followers and much less historical influence it doesn't count.

    Let's belittle it and launch our hate at it.
    No, my point was that it has never had any support from anyone but a few scattered petite bourgeoise and middle class people, most modern ones discovering that crap from the internet.

    It doesn't count, because nobody cares about it. The Church of The SubGenious is more influencial than non-communist anarchism ever was or ever will be.
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    No, my point was that it has never had any support from anyone but a few scattered petite bourgeoise and middle class people, most modern ones discovering that crap from the internet.

    It doesn't count, because nobody cares about it. The Church of The SubGenious is more influencial than non-communist anarchism ever was or ever will be.
    Buddy, stop with the bourgeoise crap. How do you know that I'm not less middle class than you?

    First of all, some of those were non-communist socialist anarchists.

    Of course individualist anarchism has not been consistently expounded till recently. As a complete belief system it's new. Thoreau never went into what kind of system would result if everyone practiced disobedience. Give it time. More people than either of us can imagine will be reading Rothbard long after anyone knows who the hell any of your crummy communist idols were.
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    Buddy, stop with the bourgeoise crap. How do you know that I'm not less middle class than you?

    First of all, some of those were non-communist socialist anarchists.

    Of course individualist anarchism has not been consistently expounded till recently. As a complete belief system it's new. Thoreau never went into what kind of system would result if everyone practiced disobedience. Give it time. More people than either of us can imagine will be reading Rothbard long after anyone knows who the hell any of your crummy communist idols were.
    HA!

    Oh shit cappie, that's a good one. So tell me, what did Rothbard do that was remarkable besides sit on his fat petite bourgeois ass and write? Maybe do a few speeches in front of 15 of your buddies? Well, he's rotting in the ground now and noone outside the Mises cult cares.

    Except, you forget yourself, we have a movement you have bullshit. Lets see where there's anarchist organizations:

    USA, Canada, UK, Mexico, Guatemala, Niguragua, Honduras, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Belize, Peru, Columbia, Brazil, Uruguay, Paruruguay, Argentina, Chile, Suriname, Guiana, French Guiana, Spain, France, Portugal, Germany, Italy, San Marino, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Russia, Poland, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herizgovina, Macedonia, Greece, Albania, Turkey, Ukraine, Romania, Moldolva, Switzerland, Denmark, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia, Armenia, Cyprus, Iceland, South Africa, Zamibia, Ghana, Syria, Lebanon, Israel/Palestine, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, India, and even more.

    Non communist anarchist groups are found in:

    Oh shit.....
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    Originally Posted by Jack
    When did I use an ad-hominem, I didn't attack anyone specifically, I said your "ideology" is bullshit and you are probably under the age of 21, as are most of your buddies.
    Oh really? Then what's this:

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    Bob Black is a snitch and an idiot
    No seriously; how do you reconcile these two quotes of yours?

    And what's this about my ideology or my age? Do quote where I've revealed either.

    So let's recap: you went from spewing vitriolic ad-hominem attacks, to outright lying, to making speculative assumptions, and finally to ageist remarks. Can't wait to see what you have in store next, keep up the tip top work idiot!
    we do swap with fake money and make time for disappear

    We're moving from a physical war fought with weapons to an economic war fought with information. We must restructure our business to fight this war and challenge our business models, cost models, etc. It is all shifting.

    Their entire emphasis now toward silence, impersonation, opposition masquerading as allegiance.
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    Yeah, I didn't attack you specifically, and fuck Bob Black, I don't really care what you have to say about it. Don't you have to go *****, moan and not do anything for a while, champ?
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    You seem confused, so I'll keep quoting you again:

    Your statement was:

    Originally Posted by Jack
    When did I use an ad-hominem, I didn't attack anyone specifically
    I then pointed out that you said:

    Originally Posted by Jack
    Bob Black is a snitch and an idiot
    So I will now ask again: how do you reconcile these two statements?

    And now you reply with a seeming non-sequitor:

    Originally Posted by Jack
    Yeah, I didn't attack you specifically
    ...which seems to suggest that you're implying that I said you attacked me specifically, or what the fuck? Why did you write just write that? Do you not understand what the basic words you use like "anyone" versus "you" mean? Do you then not comprehend that the statement you made "I didn't attack anyone specifically" has nothing to do with "I didn't attack you specifically"?

    What the fuck is going on here man?
    we do swap with fake money and make time for disappear

    We're moving from a physical war fought with weapons to an economic war fought with information. We must restructure our business to fight this war and challenge our business models, cost models, etc. It is all shifting.

    Their entire emphasis now toward silence, impersonation, opposition masquerading as allegiance.
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    From what I see of the Crimethinc website--these people seem to be Anarchist without Communism. It kind of makes them a bit hollow inside. More hippie than anything else.
    Bollocks! Crimethinc has gotta be one of the most creative groups on the anarchist scene today. They're straight-forwars, thought-provoking, and sometimes even funny. If this is the product of post-Left anarchism then I support it
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    Bollocks! Crimethinc has gotta be one of the most creative groups on the anarchist scene today. They're straight-forwars, thought-provoking, and sometimes even funny. If this is the product of post-Left anarchism then I support it
    But what is their economic philosophy? It is fine and good to be creative, but if they are espousing a brand of "anarchism" that is detached from any economic theory, I don't see the point...
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    But what is their economic philosophy? It is fine and good to be creative, but if they are espousing a brand of "anarchism" that is detached from any economic theory, I don't see the point...
    Why can't there be anarchy without objectives?
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    Why can't there be anarchy without objectives?
    Because there can't be a movement without objectives.


    Forward comrades to glorious.......eh fuck it.
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    Why can't there be anarchy without objectives?
    I think you mean anarchy without adjectives.
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    But what is their economic philosophy? It is fine and good to be creative, but if they are espousing a brand of "anarchism" that is detached from any economic theory, I don't see the point...
    "Crimethought is not any ideology or value system or lifestyle, but rather a way of challenging all ideologies and value systems and lifestyles—and, for the advanced agent, a way of making all ideologies, value systems, and lifestyles challenging."

    http://www.crimethinc.com/texts/pastfeatures/purged.php
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