Nuttige discusse @ Indymedia

[Ravachol]

Jaja je zou het niet zeggen maar zo nu en dan popt er een interessante discussie voorbij op indymedia: http://indymedia.nl/nl/2009/06/59852.shtml
Ik wist niet of ik dit nu in Activisme of theorie moest plaatsen, maar goed, feel free to move it.
Ik vond de discussie an sich wel de aandacht waardig.

[An archist]

Geen tijd om een mega antwoord te schrijven, maar ik vond de oorspronkelijke oproep best vaag. Beste respons tot nu vind ik deze:

All this theory is great. The big problem for dutch anarchists, I would say, is there distance from the "average Joe". And it's really great to come up with quotes like: "This is allignment and we do not want to allign with reformist power-seekers any more.", but in the end this is the excuse to maintain the elitist attitude and not seek contact with more people. What most anarchists here tend to forget is that they have had many years to shape their thoughts. To do away with all other people because they're not radical enough or want "to allign" with power seekers is bullshit. Most selfstyled Anarchists I have met over here through the years are spoiled middle class kids, who are not even capable of putting their ideals before their dresscode.
I belief that if you want to change and criticise a society, you have to be part of it. No one will listen to you if you place yourself outside of the community and criticise that same community at the same time.
The biggest problem besetting the anarchists over here is their conformity. We are elitist, like society around us. We are alcoholics, like society around us. We all want to be radical martyrs, such a christian thing. We have a dresscode. We give credit to people for their "radicalism", defined by the amount of arrests, actions, broken doors, beat up fascists and bedpartners on their activist CV's.
Isn't the real radicalism in organising your street or community? And through empowering people by showing them how to take control over their own lives?
As long as we keep doing away with "compromise" as not radical, we will never be radical.
As Sun Tzu said, to win, you sometimes got to withdraw and avoid battle. The only thing some people here seem to understand is; "confrontation, confrontation and confrontation." Sometimes you have to build before you can destroy.

Hetzelfde geld voor de Belgische situatie.

[Wanted Man]

Ben bang dat degene die de discussie start, toch een roepende in de woestijn is.