I'm not saying you HAVE to be in a commune to do these things, but you can still do these things quite easily (maybe even better) in a commune while also being around people who help form and implement your message/ideology!!
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tbh you could do all that in your room, you don't need to cut yourself off from 'normality' in order to make posters.
I'm not saying you HAVE to be in a commune to do these things, but you can still do these things quite easily (maybe even better) in a commune while also being around people who help form and implement your message/ideology!!
"humans must not check reason by tradition, but rather tradition by reason." -Trotsky
I sure wish the politicians would think about how "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK
Aeval is right. All of that stuff is already done in regular everyday society; and it would be absolutely pointless to create a some kind of commune around do doing mundane things like that.
What else is there, other than it supposedly being easier to run some kind of an organization in a commune, that entails the importance of making communes? How are communes supposed to organizer workers?
It frees up some of the people cuz they dont havta earn rent. And those who work interact with the workers. And they orginize the workers by planning, pamphleting, postering, talking to people, using the Internet, etc
"humans must not check reason by tradition, but rather tradition by reason." -Trotsky
I sure wish the politicians would think about how "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK
What? How exactly are you going to get the supplies to start your commune if you can't even pay your rent? Do you understand that its not simple, or easy (it would actually be really hard) to start a commune? You need money to get all the resources and materials to start it, you need to have access to private land, you need to have people willing to be crazy enough to go along with you and risk their lives to begin building a commune (this would be the toughest requirement to fulfill).
If all your going to do is interact with workers, and do all of that stuff then it isn't necessary to go off and start some commune that simply isolates your organization. You should seriously drop this crazy ultra-leftist commune thing, its so worthless.
I don't recall saying anything about not being able to pay rent?
And I'm not saying it's perfect (or even great) but it's valid!
"humans must not check reason by tradition, but rather tradition by reason." -Trotsky
I sure wish the politicians would think about how "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK
You said "It frees up some of the people cuz they dont havta earn rent", so by that I thought you meant it would be meant for those who couldn't pay rent. Try explaining your views more coherently so people don't misunderstand you.
It's not valid just cause you say it is. The only way its valid is if you want to lead a rural self-sufficient lifestyle, or if you want to be a hippie or something, but that has nothing to do with class struggle.
I love how it's apparently MY fault that YOU mistook my post!
And how is it impossible or somehow harder to help class struggle from a commune?!
"humans must not check reason by tradition, but rather tradition by reason." -Trotsky
I sure wish the politicians would think about how "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK
Because you'll be living in your own little world which bares no relation to the actual lives and struggles of everyone else. How exactly are people who don't have to deal with bosses and rent and all the other layers of shit everyone else has to put up with, going to stay connected to reality? They won't, they'll just end up sat around thinking that they're awesome and bemoaning that everyone else is just so stupid and that they 'don't realise how easy it is to just break away, man!'
I think that is important not to distance ourselves from the average worker. So we do not lose sight of our goals and become almost a separate class. Also if we benefit from being able to say 'we are in this together,' a 'we feel your pain' kind of deal. I think if we were to separate ourselves people would criticize.
One of the first things people usual ask me when I explain my position is, "Do you have a job?" When I answer no (as I am a minor reluctant to have his labour exploited) they say, "Then what would you know about it," or, "You're just looking for a free handout then," and that is usually the end of the discussion. I think a similar attitude would be produced against people who reside in a commune.
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Relax. You just weren't very specific or elaborate, I'm sorry I'm not perfect and I can understand everything. I never told you it was your fault; your just assuming things.
I've already explained how, because you can't start a commune in the middle of nowhere and expect to organize workers who work in society. If you want to go live in a commune, go ahead that's your choice. However if, an organization has a goal of organizing worker's for the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism, then said organization must be made up of workers that make up society; you can't simply substitute that with communes and expect the same result. At best communes are alternative styles of living, but you cant expect all of society to run away to rural communes, and expect to overthrow capitalism that way.
