I want to hear the bad things Che did. I've heard that he was in a tank and he killed a bunch of civilians, but i heard that from an idiot friend.
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I want to hear the bad things Che did. I've heard that he was in a tank and he killed a bunch of civilians, but i heard that from an idiot friend.
The bad thing he did was try to free the idiginous people of Latin America and Africa from their oppression and exploitation at the hands of U$-supported leaders (nay, puppets).
“There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by any country over imperialism is our victory; just as any country's defeat is a defeat for all of us.” – Che Guevara
“We still believe that the struggle of Ireland for freedom is a part of the world-wide upward movement of the toilers of the earth, and we still believe that the emancipation of the working class carries within it the end of all tyranny – national, political and social.” – James Connolly
Che consistently asked to execute men for disobedience. And rarely showed remorse for his actions. He in my opinion countered this with establishing a school and hospital, as well as showing mercy to his enemy. Only after he was greatly influnced by the demenor of Castro.
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murdering people is a big deal.
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Execution isn't always murder, in my opinion. If he was just executing random people, that's bad. I would have personally put people in POW camps, if they were captured rather than execution. But that's just me.
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Well the two beefs i have with Che are that he executed people, (i am against capital punishment regardless of the situation) and his theory of violence. Starting wars does not appeal to me, the human and material cost is just not worth it. Everybody forgets the soldiers on both sides who died in Bolivia, Congo and the million other wars around the world. They just remember who won and lost. Those lost souls deserve better and in many cases what is achieved through war is corrupted or manipulated. I don't think i would fight for anything or risk my life for anything apart from my family.
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While I believe he loved his children, he was not a devoted father to them. He neither spent significant time with them nor provided fully for them (he did say he expected the State to do that).
Secondly, I think his death was avoidable if he had not had such a death wish and inability to back down. It is clear he knew the time had come to pull out of Bolivia but he didn't. If he had lived, he would have accomplished many more things.
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Alright, given the situation, i think you are taking the executions a little to harsh. If i went out and executing my friends for selling me out, well, thats just fucked up. But they were dealing with a sensitive revolution, if one person fucked up the whole entire revolution could have been screwed. So, imo, its not that big of a deal given the circumstances. Even though i also don't believe in capital punishment.
Supermodel - Che obviously loves his kids, but had a larger dream to help the whole world. He saw this as a greater goal. Would you let your kid down to help a million other people?
And perhaps bolivia was his last straw from the begging.. so? He was a fighter, he fought. He knew he would die, but he died fighting for what he believed in.
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Where could Che have went from Bolivia? He didn't want to return to Cuba until there was at least one successful revolution under his belt, giving Cuba a nation that it could have been an ally too.
(Edited by CiaranB at 6:38 pm on July 26, 2002)
“There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by any country over imperialism is our victory; just as any country's defeat is a defeat for all of us.” – Che Guevara
“We still believe that the struggle of Ireland for freedom is a part of the world-wide upward movement of the toilers of the earth, and we still believe that the emancipation of the working class carries within it the end of all tyranny – national, political and social.” – James Connolly
Yes I have done things that disappointed my kids/left them without me for the benefit of others and I do in fact regret most of it, but you have a good point. I just have a fundamental belief in taking extra special care of your own kids. Who knows, perhaps Aleida had a brother or her dad and mom stayed involved knowing that Che would be gone. Obviously many mothers (and some fathers) face this real life situation.
As far as what was there for Che after Bolivia, I think the obvious answer was North Vietnam. He could also have taken up another trip to Africa, etc.
I do believe he could have returned to Cuba either openly or in disguise and played a useful part in the continuing revolution.
Also, if he had gone back to Argentina, where I believe he had committed no crimes, maybe he could have prevented the dirty war of the desparecidos in the 1970's.
The Irish republican Army would have made a comfortable, if damp and cold, home for el Che in beautiful Ireland. Then of course Spain hardly ever extradites anyone, but Franco would have had a fit.
Anyway, he could have hung out with all my latino friends here, they all seem to protect each other well. Disappearing in the USA is very easy.
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Could you imagine if Che hadn't went to Bolivia, and in 1969 turned up in Ireland, during the constant loyalist pogroms in a sectarian state, being aided and funded by a "major" imperialist power?
He could have unified the republican movement and helped to bring socialist ideals to the forefront in each of their policies.
“There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by any country over imperialism is our victory; just as any country's defeat is a defeat for all of us.” – Che Guevara
“We still believe that the struggle of Ireland for freedom is a part of the world-wide upward movement of the toilers of the earth, and we still believe that the emancipation of the working class carries within it the end of all tyranny – national, political and social.” – James Connolly
Ireland is a fucking mess.
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I am a person who is dead set against capital punishment, for I believe our society has advanced to the point that barbaric tactics aren't useful.
However, I would not place my values on someone who, A) died before I was born, B) was starting a revolution in a place that was run by a brutal butcher who was far worse..
Don't forget that Batista's response to knowledge that the revolution was coming from the universities... was to set up machine guns and mow the students down as they walked out the door.
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That truly would be interesting, and... well not totaly unimaginable, after all he was half Paddy. However I believe his dream was to free Latin America, so I don't see him abandoning it all together and shipping off to Ireland, or.. North Vietnam... lol..
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"Don't forget that Batista's response to knowledge that the revolution was coming from the universities... was to set up machine guns and mow the students down as they walked out the door."
My father's uncle was killed by batista as he was leaving Havana Univeristy..
\"He who controls the past, controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.\" - 1984
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In his Cuba diary there was this thing:
A guerrilla had lost his gun in a battle, wich was still ragein on. Man escaped the place and told Che about this loss. Che told him to go back and get the gun. So, he did.
When the battle was over and Che was in a tent of wounded ones, he saw the man who had losted his gun. Man said that he brought the gun back. Then he died.
A bit rough was Che there, I think. Is one gun worth of one man?
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Okay, well besides 'punishment'. I mean like terrorism. Has he ever killed innocent civilians? I heard, heard, heard that he mowed down a bunch of civilians when he was riding a tank or something. I heard it from an Italian friend of mine who got so pissed at me when I wore a Che shirt once. He started getting crazy, and yelling at me for being such an idiot. I got so scared, I want to know if the things he said are true.
Che only killed deserters and spies who tried to stop the revolution. By executing these men he was safeguarding the future of a whole nation which has prospered under his and others policies.
If Che ever deliberately killed innocent people then everthing i know about him is wrong this is why i dont believe he did kill anyone innocent. Che was a proliteriate, a man of the people, after the revolution he did volenteer work harvesting sugar etc. and throughout his political life he took only the basic wage of a guerilla.
These actions and many others makes it hard for me to believe that Che was a cold blooded murderer of innocent people.
I have read on many occasions that Che's next adventure after Bolivia was his native Argentina, i dont know how correct this is but i think they share a border so it would make sense to me.
Che executed people? were did you invent that? the only person that he personaly executed was a doblecrosser that sold info to the Batistas, he personaly killed the son of a *****, plus when castro won, he executed some old tortures that woirked for BAtista, (the same torturesrs that killed women and children!) and he did well, because if Castro was confronted with that choice he would torture ebveryone that worked to Batista, when Che only killed torturers!
