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Im pretty new to left-wing/socialist ideas, all I know is that I understand and agree with them. Pleas ecould any one of you kids fill me in the man we call CHE?
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Click up at the very top where it says back to Che-lives.com and you will see alot of info. Then just read the posts on this board.
The best book about Che is Jon Lee Anderson's biography (1997), you can order it from the library or Amazon.com.
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yes, read John Lee Anderson's Che!!!!!!!
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This is a stupid question but is there any way to buy a book on the Internet if you don't have a credit card?
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Sure mate, amazon.com accepts most bank cards. Alos, some sites accept money orders. Failing that, wait till you can get a credit card. Its annoying, Im in the same boat, so Im waiting to Im 18 so I can get one
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Thx, mate!
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Welcome, comrade! It's a good thing you chose Che for inspiration, instead of someone like Jon Bon Jovi (pbbffffttt...loser)
Che Guevara is widely covered in books of varying degress of accuracy and quality, you have to learn to see through Capitalist propaganda and anti-communist literature, if you are to truely understand the man.
Try checking out peripheral stuff about the Cuban Revolution, the Missile Crisis, Marxist-Leninist theology and the like, if you are to fully appreciate his causes and beliefs...
Good luck, it's a jungle out there...
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hi,
if you get an account with a lot of banks you can get debit cards which you don't have to be 18 to use. the visa electron is one you could get with some accounts, which can be used on amazon.com/co.uk
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i dont know about you. i dont know if you can be converted. leftist, or leftwing polotics is not a flavor of the week.
its not an idealism of youth. its something that radiates from your auroa. its not a virtue of youth you can shed when you turn 34 and get a better paying job. its not naivete or something based on inexperience. its not a frivolous dogma that can be tossed for greater tax relief. its something that you are and always feel. its a way of thinking. sure, its not congruent. im not a comunist or socialist, but am what it generaly characterized as a "pinko lesbian commie". maybe i have been wrong in some of my critiques of che, maybe desserters should be executed.
(Edited by mooseboy84 at 9:39 pm on Sep. 9, 2002)
<<because i f**kin said so>>
anyway, there are 2 books you should read, its ches own account. it was trully enthralling and terrifying reading his accounts off the war. if it was a movie it would have been unbelievable. saving private ryan or any movie is nothing compared to this.
its called, Pasajes de la guerra revolucionaria. since i cant read spanish, get the english version.
episodes of the cuban revolutionary war 1956-58. that is a must read. you live the battles. i can honestly say that i am no warrior. its unreal what they did. honestly, if you just want to read an incredible book read it. im gonna have read this large book about him by anderson that everyone reccomending, but if you trully want to know what its like in the battlefield and during the struggle, then read that book of ches own account. you soon will see the true perspective of how brave and magnomimous che really was. also his intelligence. to be able to remember hundreds of names of civilans that were innocently killed by batisitas rebels and all of his comrades that died during the strugle. the man trully was great and must be respected as one of the greastest men of all time.
also, theres a book thats out of print, or hard to find called veneceremos. it was one of the first books published about chey in 1969. it gives a brief bio, as well as some of his famous speeches and writings. i think that is a good starter book.
(Edited by mooseboy84 at 10:05 pm on Sep. 9, 2002)
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i just finished 'death of a revolutionary' which i thought was very good. it is about che's last mission in bolivia where he eventually met his demise. it shows how compassionate of a warrior che was. one of the main reasons i respect che is because he lived and believed what he preached and this book demonstrates this point very well. it bought it at barnes and noble so it should be fairly easy to find. next up is 'rules for radicals' anyone read that?
(Edited by anger is a gift at 10:35 pm on Sep. 9, 2002)
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I have also read 'Death of A Revolutionary'. I thought it was excelent, also 'the motorcycle diaries' is good. Its about his trip around South America. I thought it was great. I'm also about to read the one by Anderson that so many people have reccomended.
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Another really good book to read about Che is the Che Guevara Reader Writings on Guerrilla Strategy, Politics & Revolution. Another book I picked up by Che while in Cuba that I have just started reading is Global Justice liberation and socialism. The reader you will really enjoy. As for the second book, I've only just started it so I'll let you know when I'm finished it but it does look good.
To the person who first posted on this thread,
How can you call Che a prophet if you admit to having read nothing about him? You can't just love him and adopt his ideas when you don't know what they are or even who he is? Wouldn't surprise me if you wear a Che shirt...
"Guess who back in the motherfuckin house, With a fat dick for your motherfuckin mouth, Hoes recognize, niggaz do too, Cuz when *****es get skanless and pull a voodoo"
it shows that people are still interested in che. i wear a che shirt from time to time. and about 3 years ago when i first started asking questions about che because i saw his powerful image on various things. big deal if he/she called che a prophet as if it matters. at least he/she is taking an interest in a man that has influenced and continues to influence generations of people. but make sure you learn about che for the better reasons rather than the commercial side of things
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I questioned where they got the opinion of him been a prophet when they have admitted to reading nothing about him. How can you make such judgments? Let's say i hadn't read anything or heard anything about Hitler but started calling him a prophet, that would sound pretty stupid. My main problem is that this person like many other so called Che admirers saw his pictures on a t-shirt, thought he looked cool, heard from a friend he fought for freedom and suddenly endulge in the marketing of Che, his name and legacy to look cool in from of other people and take a stand.
Be interested in Che, that is great. Don't make rash judgments about him if you know nothing of him. Don't wear Che shirts that are created by capitalists who market his name and stand against everything Che fought for. You don't need to wear a Che shirt to be known or make your knowledge and like of Che known. Read books. Don't wear capitalist sponsored t-shirts made by corporations who he fought against.
"Guess who back in the motherfuckin house, With a fat dick for your motherfuckin mouth, Hoes recognize, niggaz do too, Cuz when *****es get skanless and pull a voodoo"
I remember when I first saw a picture of Che, in my classroom. I was struck by the image and felt a strange connection to it. I had NO idea who he was, and what he stood for...so I asked a fellow classmate, and he described him in the typical romanticized way. Being the teenager I was, I latched onto that romanticized version of Che.
I was never taught anything in school regarding Che, even in subjects that dealt with politics and so on. I remember buying a t-shirt with Che's image on it. I at least knew at the time, what his name was, and a bit of what he stood for, thought not the full grasp.
My point is that, yes, some people romanticize him. But, that is how my interest was sparked, and from there I began to understand just how important this man really was/is.
no need to criticize someone's burgeoning interest. Hey---isn't that how u came to understand Che??? What?!? Were you born with an intrinsic understanding of Che? If anything, we should encourage people to read about El Che, and appreciate what he stood for. Everyone has a different motivation for reading about something new, something foreign...and don't be too quick to assume that it's only an interest based on the romanticzation....it builds form there I think
That's just part of Che's legend...
~~~~>>>to the person who started the thread: I just picked up Castaneda's (hope I spelled that right), biography. beautifully and intelligently written so far...I think it's called the Life and Death of Ernesto Che Guevara<<~~~~Peace, and happy hunting
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I think you missed the point. I'm not saying don't be interested in him, but saying there are better ways to promote Che than plastering his face on coffee mugs and t-shirts, etc that are made by capitalist corporations that he fought against and that don't try and spread his ideas and legacy but exploit what his worth for profit. That is wrong. I dislike people who wear Che shirts simply for the sake of sending a message that they know and adore Che Guevara. Think of what Che would say if he saw this. It reminds me on an incident in Cuba where somebody asked for his autography and his contemptuously replied, "I'm not a movie star".
"Guess who back in the motherfuckin house, With a fat dick for your motherfuckin mouth, Hoes recognize, niggaz do too, Cuz when *****es get skanless and pull a voodoo"
