Not all the Cubans like him

[ComradeChe]

yesterday i was on a channel for cuba on dalnet, with my nick ComradeChe, i was banned and kicked from that chan, so when i asked about the reason, the guy who kicked me said because of ur nick, i was really shocked to find a guy from Cuba who hates El Che, i thought they like him in Cuba, but he said that the majority hate him and Castro because they are communist.

[Reuben]

sounds like one the right wing cuban emigres who went to america

[Menshevik]

actually it sounds like a lot of Cubans. Che isn't as widely disapproved of as Castro is, though.

[man in the red suit]

yeah, why are they disaproved? I never understood that myself. I guess people have some natural hatred towards communism. I think it is because of the Soviet Union's intentions to take over the world.

[Menshevik]

It's not that the people hate communism, it's that they don't like what Castro has become--a dictator. Che, in some people's eyes, is no better than Castro.

[GWF]

Ofcourse there are Cubans who don't like Che, there are also capitalist or (as Reuben said) right-wing Cubans, But I think almost everybody overthere hates Castro.

[hXcPetey]

that is not quite true. when i was in cuba(got a special lisense) i found out che is well loved as fidel is not that far behind.

[Kez]

well this is bullshit, last week 1.5 million cubans marched in solidarity for him, and he has no support.

I agree with Reuben, u were probably chatting to some cockfaced cuban traitor who has fucked off to suck uncle sams cock.

The people love Che and Fidel, its propaganda which claims otherwise

[Vide]

I wonder if all those who hate Che and Castro now would prefer to go back to the Batista era. Public opinion is so fickle. Hypocrisy abounds!

[hXcPetey]

amen

[Conghaileach]

Last wekk, 9 million Cubans marched all over the island demanding an addition to the Constitution that states socialism is untouchable on the island. Not a bad number considering it has a population of 11 million and the day had some of the worst weather they've experienced since Michelle. Apparently it's gone down as the largest rally ever held.

[Vide]

Do you have a news story verifying this? I seems unlikely something so large could have occurred without being reported.

[Conghaileach]

ANSWERING BUSH'S THREATS, MILLIONS OF CUBANS SAY: SOCIALISM IS HERE TO
STAY
By Gloria La Riva

Another of George W. Bush's schemes against Cuba bit the dust June 12
as more than 9 million Cubans marched to proclaim that Cuba's socialist
system is "untouchable."

The people converged all across the island, despite drenching
downpours, in more than 200 marches and 2,230 rallies.

This unprecedented mobilization--the largest by far in Cuba's history--
was in answer to Bush's May 20 speech in Miami. There, surrounded by
ultra-right émigrés and anti- Cuba terrorists, he arrogantly declared
that Cuba must make changes in its 2003 national elections and
virtually return to capitalism before the U.S. blockade can be lifted.

Bush also demanded that a petition containing 20 proposals for sweeping
changes in Cuba, including "free enterprise," be implemented. That
petition, referred to in the U.S. press as the "Varela project," was
circulated in Cuba by a small group of counter-revolutionaries, and
reportedly had around 11,000 signatures.

Former President Jimmy Carter also referred to the petition in his
speech on Cuban national television. It had all the markings of a U.S.-
sponsored campaign--one of the countless imperialist schemes to
discredit the Cuban Revolution.

Popular petition campaigns directed at U.S. presidents--like one
calling for political prisoner Leonard Peltier's freedom- -are
routinely ignored by Washington.

Bush's Miami threats sparked an overwhelming and resounding response
from the Cuban people. They said: Cuba will not be dictated to--
especially not by U.S. imperialism.

AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION

Along with the 9-million-strong demonstrations, a huge campaign was
launched June 10 by Cuba's mass organizations for a constitutional
modification bill affirming that Cuba's economic, social and political
system of socialism is untouchable.

Drafted by representatives of women, labor, youth, students, military
veterans and farmers, it petitions Cuba's National Assembly to amend
the Constitution.

Cuba's Constitution was ratified in 1976 by a popular referendum vote
of more than 97 percent. It is not an abstract promise to "life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness," but a revolutionary document
that guarantees basic rights to housing, employment, education and
culture, and guarantees that the power of the state lies with
the people.

The initiative for this newest constitutional change says in part:

"Aware that the Socialist Revolution rescued Cuba from a humiliating
imperialist domination and turned it into a free and independent nation
founded on the close unity, the cooperation and the consensus of a
learned and rebel people of brave and heroic men and women that make up
the force, the government and the power of the Cuban nation, the
same people who with their talents and ideas have skillfully faced up
to, and defended themselves from the aggressions of the most powerful
empire that the history of humanity has known;

"Aware that despite the tight blockade and the economic war imposed by
the government of the United States of America aimed at suffocating and
humiliating our people, the Cuban nation has risen to the challenge in
these glorious years of the Revolution to achieve high educational,
cultural and social indicators, with an illiteracy rate of 0.2
percent, an elementary school attendance rate of 100 percent, an infant
mortality rate of 6.2 per 1,000 live births; with 590 doctors, 743
nurses and 630.6 hospital beds for every 100,000 people;

"Therefore, the people of Cuba petition the National Assembly of
People's Power:

"First, To ratify our people's identification with each and every one
of the principles on which the Constitution of the Republic is founded,
particularly with its Economic, Social and Political Foundations
consecrated in Chapter I, underlining that: 'Cuba is an independent and
sovereign socialist State of workers organized by all its people
for the well-being of all, as a unitary and democratic Republic, for
the enjoyment of political freedom, social justice, individual and
collective well-being, and human solidarity.'

"Second, To expressly set forth the will of the people that the
economic, political and social system consecrated in the Constitution
of the Republic is untouchable.

"Third, To ratify that economic, political and diplomatic relations
with any other state will never be negotiated under aggression, threat
or pressure from a foreign power."

SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN AFFIRMS SOCIALISM

A campaign to gather the signatures of eligible Cuban voters was
launched that showed their endorsement of the constitutional
initiative. On June 14, on the Cuban television roundtable program, the
process, as well as the time, date and place for the gathering of
signatures among the people was explained in detail.

After a June 15 morning rally outside Havana at the memorial where
Cuban independence hero General Antonio Maceo is buried, the
endorsement signing began at 10 a.m.

At 129,523 polling places across Cuba, the people gathered to show
their unwavering support for the revolution. Any eligible voter aged 16
years or older could sign.

By noon on June 16--barely 26 hours after the endorsements began--
7,412,721 Cuban citizens had added their names and support.

By the noon June 18 deadline, 8,165,320 signed the constitutional
initiative--some 98.7 percent of the voting population.

Cuba's total population is around 11 million. Taking into account those
who are not of voting age or who for other reasons cannot vote, the
figures are extraordinary.

POPULAR REVOLUTION

The "unending war" announced by U.S. imperialism after Sept. 11 shows
how omnipotent the militarists in the White House and the Pentagon
believe they are. In their claims that oppressed countries like Syria,
Iran, Iraq, Libya, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Cuba
are "terrorists," they bestow upon themselves the right to use any
means to undermine or overthrow those governments.

Cuba's ability to survive U.S. aggression and defend its sovereignty
has always rested in the vast popular support the revolution enjoys.
The Cuban people are supremely conscious of the gains they have
achieved because of socialism.

This is in large part due to Cuba's revolutionary leader of more than
43 years, President Fidel Castro, who has demonstrated the greatest
courage and political resolve in the face of the deadliest military
power in world history.

As President Castro said June 8, in response to Bush's threats: "[He]
should not have politically challenged the Cuban revolutionary
leadership because he is in no position to respond to the political
challenges that Cuba could throw at him. It is like sailing on a big
paper boat--full of lies and demagogy--that cannot endure the wind or
the waves.

"He should not have made demands on matters that are the sole concern
of our sovereignty, nor launch threats against Cuba because the Cuban
people have never been nor will they ever be forced to give in."

The almost unanimous backing for Cuba's socialism in a few short days
of mobilization is the best example yet that the revolution is here to
stay.

[Conghaileach]

GRANMA - June 12, 2002
More than nine million Cubans take to the streets

. In 800 marches and 2,230 rallies throughout the country, people
express support for a constitutional reform declaring the socialist
system untouchable

CUBANS filled the streets, from one end of the island to the other, to
say "yes" to the constitutional reform proposed by representatives of
civil society declaring the socialist system untouchable, and
pronounced a loud "no" to the fascist methods outlined by George W.
Bush under the cloak of the anti-terrorist crusade, in a speech made at
West Point.

At 8:00 a.m. today, June 12, President Fidel Castro set off with more
than one million residents from Havana and other cities, the packed
throng taking four hours to pass in front of the U.S. Interest Section.
It was an impressive display of unity, in a world where representative
democracies have become demo-injustice, demo-poverty, demo-
malnutrition.

Throughout the rest of the country, in all municipalities, provincial
capitals and rural settlements, the march was irrepressible. It is
calculated that more than nine million people took part in 800 marches
and 2,230 rallies.

The march's size is without precedent in the world, fruit of a high
level of culture, patriotism, awareness and knowledge, as the Cuban
president affirmed in a TV appearance last night (June 11), as
preparations for the march were being completed.

In the face of possible heavy rainfall, Fidel showed his concern for
the well-being of young children, pregnant women and senior citizens
with health problems, advising others to take umbrellas or raincoats to
protect themselves from the rain.

Raisa Pagés

[Vide]

Nifty, where did you find those?

[Conghaileach]

I'm on a Yahoo e-mail group called che-list. I get them sent to me.

The address, in case you're interested, is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/che-list

[hXcPetey]

the granma is a cuban news paper named after the boat that fidel, che and other revluotionaries (da beards) used to go from training in mexico to fight in cuba

[Kez]

great info, much appreciated
and i also joined that email list

[hXcPetey]

the cuban people love almost every one.
-they hold nothing against the american people
-nothing against castro
-and sure as fuck nothing against che

how ever bush and batista aint to popular there.

if anybody wants pictures from my vacation there use the messenger to ask me to e-mail them or atleast atempt to do it ;-)

(Edited by hXcPetey at 4:55 pm on June 22, 2002)