National Bolshevism

[LOLseph Stalin]

What is this exactly? From my understanding it's Communist ideas combined with elements of Nazism and nationalism. I kinda get an image of "Socialism in one country" with only the people of one nationality. Aren't these National Bolsheviks Anti-Semitic and crap? This obviously goes against real Communist ideas of equality and fairness.

[ComradeOm]

NazBol policies are too batshit insane to warrant an extensive explanation. Its political platform is primarily nationalist in tone but also envisions the creation of a pan-Eurasian empire to counter US hegemony. Domestically they have a hodge-podge of economic ideas that are generally corporatist in tone. Their communist inspiration is largely a matter of style (ie drawing on Soviet imagery and 'great men') but while they are on the far-right anti-semitism is not officially part of their programme

Not to be confused with the 'national Bolsheviks' of Civil War Russia or the German Revolution

[Brother No. 1]

National Bolshevism is a political movement that claims to combine elements of nationalism and Bolshevism.[1]
National Bolshevism is often anti-capitalist in tone, and sympathetic towards certain nationalist forms of communism and socialism. Nevertheless, National Bolshevism is separate and distinct from National Communism. National Bolsheviks have historically defended both Stalinism and Strasserism, although in current times they do not wish to re-create those systems.
The ideology claims a direct link to Hegel, whom it presents as the father of idealism. The ideology is highly traditionalist in the mold of Julius Evola. Amongst other influences claimed by the movement are Georges Sorel, Otto Strasser and José Ortega y Gasset (although this last influence is largely because of his rejection of left and right labels, which is also a feature of National Bolshevism). While Strasser was a "dissenting Nazi" who advocated a more socialist (than Hitler) Nazi-type system, and is as such often associated with racist groups (many of which are admittedly inspired by Strasser), he did not openly advocate antisemitism during his life and associated with Jews throughout his political career (especially while in exile during the Reich years in Germany). The modern Limonovist wing of the NBP in Russia goes beyond this and opposes xenophobia and racism, but, rather, supports a territorial (not racial) Russian nationalism.[citation needed]
Today, Russia is considered to be the center of National Bolshevism, and almost all of the National Bolshevik parties and organizations in the world are connected to it. Amongst the leading practitioners and theorists of National Bolshevism are Aleksandr Dugin and Eduard Limonov, who leads the unregistered and banned National Bolshevik Party in Russia.[2] National Bolsheviks participated in demonstrations against the G8 in Saint Petersburg.[3] Influenced heavily by the idea of geopolitics, current Russian National Bolshevism movements propose a merger between Russia and the rest of Europe in a union to be known as Eurasia. Lately there rose an opposition to the efforts of Limonov to find allies even if they are pro-Western capitalists; some even left the National Bolshevik Party and formed the National Bolshevik Front.[4]
There are National Bolshevik groups in Israel and in parts of the former Soviet Union, which are tied to the Russian National Bolshevik Party.[5] Other groups, such as the Franco-Belgian Parti Communautaire National-Européen also share National Bolshevism's desire for the creation of a united Europe (as well as many of its economic ideas), and French political figure Christian Bouchet has also been influenced by the idea.[6]




Basicly my oppion of them: I could care less about them. They betray the name Bolsheivk and pretend to be like them. thought they defend "Stalinism" I still could care less. They say their with the left but thats just a load of BS and shouldnt be even consdiered with us. The Nazbols are nothing more then a crazied party or organization following a ideal that makes no sesne.

[Vendetta]

Nazis, with Stalin replacing Hitler.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Nazis, with Stalin replacing Hitler.

Short, but sweet. I think that pretty much sums up my views on it.

[Hoxhaist]

these are Vlasovite zombies just as fascist as Vlasov and are opportunistic to try to subvert Stalin's legacy to their own ends. They are NOT real Bolsheviks!!!

[LOLseph Stalin]

They are NOT real Bolsheviks!!!

Yep, I figured that part out. They're a perversion of original Bolshevism.

[Woland]

A little more right-wing or just about the same politically as the original Bolsheviks?

Get the fuck out of here. If you have no idea, why post?

[Brother No. 1]

(quote)Nazis, with Stalin replacing Hitler.(Quote)

So you think of us Anti-Revisionist just the same as Nazis?


(quote)Short, but sweet. I think that pretty much sums up my views on it. (quote)


So you think Stalin is just as bad as hitler? You think I am just the same as a naiz? If so then you my comrade..have a lot of re-learning to do.

[robbo203]

Get the fuck out of here. If you have no idea, why post?

Thats right - scratch a stalinist and you will soon find a fascist lurking beneath. Next I guess it will be "to the Gulag" with him!

[Woland]

Thats right - scratch a stalinist and you will soon find a fascist lurking beneath. Next I guess it will be "to the Gulag" with him!

Yeah, I'm actually a national-bolshevik in disguise of a fascist Stalinist. You can see that in my brutal persecution of good socialists, just like the evil, evil Stalin did in his lifetime, wiping out thousands of communists with his custom-made, gold-plated Tokarev T-33's, because he was just so evil. So you better beware robbo.

[LOLseph Stalin]

So you think Stalin is just as bad as hitler? You think I am just the same as a naiz? If so then you my comrade..have a lot of re-learning to do.

I don't think you understand the ideas behind National Bolshevism. It could almost be considered a form of Nazism. They're Nationalistic, Anti-Capitalist, Pro-Communist, and many are racist just as the Nazis were. Really the only way it differs is in the fact that it aims to create a national, racially pure Communist society based on the idea of "Socialism in one country". As you know, the Socialism in one country was Stalin's idea. National Bolsheviks follow that so in a sense Stalin is treated like their Hitler. It's really a perversion of Communist ideas if that makes more sense.

[Brother No. 1]

My lenin..I knew they were idiots..but theis goes beyond stupidty.

[LOLseph Stalin]

My lenin..I knew they were idiots..but theis goes beyond stupidty.

Well as people have said, the National Bolsheviks aren't really Communist. They're Nazis who are trying to be Communist.


Nazi


National Bolshevik

Not much difference.

[Brother No. 1]

Then they will fail just as much as Capitalist fails.

Nazbols= EPIC FAIL!!!

[LOLseph Stalin]

Then they will fail just as much as Capitalist fails.

I think of it this way: at least they try to put the fact of Anti-Capitalism and equality into mind. They still fail of course.

[Brother No. 1]

Yes the put Anti-Capitalism in their minds but doesnt the National Socialist do the same but the eqaulity part is strange...their Nationalistic yet want Equality...very weird.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Yes the put Anti-Capitalism in their minds but doesnt the National Socialist do the same but the eqaulity part is strange...their Nationalistic yet want Equality...very weird.

National Socialism is different. Their economic system is essentially Fascist. Fascism uses corporatism. NazBols still want Communism.

[Brother No. 1]

Yes they "want" Communism but it will never come to them. They betrayed the name of Bolshevik and Boshevikism. I really dont see how they can even get Communism either if the betray some of its prinicbles.