Here's the text.
Be sure to link it next time.
Anyway, I'm in.
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Here's the text.
I want to start a study group on this text, because I haven't read it before, and it presents a different way to understand the role of the revolutionary party that maintains some of the core features of Lenin's conception, but also places emphasis on the need to adjust our organizational strategies to local conditions and uphold democratic decision-making. Here is a short description of Rosa Luxemburg's life and an overview of her debates within the SPD over the relationship between revolution and reforms, taken from Socialist Worker:
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=14080
The text itself is split into two sections, so I suggest that we take each section in turn, reading, and then discussing before we move on to the next section.
If you are interested, please make your interest known in this thread =)
Last edited by BobKKKindle$; 10th April 2009 at 11:33.
Here's the text.
Be sure to link it next time.
Anyway, I'm in.
"The sun shines. To hell with everything else!" - Stephen Fry
"As the world of the spectacle extends its reign it approaches the climax of its offensive, provoking new resistances everywhere. These resistances are very little known precisely because the reigning spectacle is designed to present an omnipresent hypnotic image of unanimous submission. But they do exist and are spreading.", The Bad Days Will End.
"(The) working class exists and struggles in all countries, and has the same enemies in all countries – the police, the army, the unions, nationalism, and the fake ‘socialism’ of the bourgeois left. It shows that the conditions for a worldwide revolution are ripening everywhere today. It shows that workers and revolutionaries are not passive spectators of inter-imperialist conflicts: they have a camp to choose, the camp of the proletarian struggle against all the factions of the bourgeoisie and all imperialisms." -ICC, Nation or Class?
I'll read it "under the title Organizational Questions of Social Democracy as part of the 1970 Pathfinder Press compilation Rosa Luxemburg Speaks."
“Where the worker is regulated bureaucratically from childhood onwards, where he believes in authority, in those set over him, the main thing is to teach him to walk by himself.” - Marx
"It is illogical and incorrect to reduce everything to the economic [socialist] revolution, for the question is: how to eliminate [political] oppression? It cannot be eliminated without an economic revolution... But to limit ourselves to this is to lapse into absurd and wretched ... Economism." - Lenin
"[During a revolution, bourgeois democratic] demands [of the working class] ... push so hard on the outer limits of capital's rule that they appear likewise as forms of transition to a proletarian dictatorship." - Luxemburg
“Well, then go forward, Tower of Bebel! [August] Bebel is one of the most brilliant representatives of scientific international socialism. His writings, speeches and works make up a great tower, a strong arsenal, from which the working class should take their weapons. We cannot recommend it enough… And if the [International] deserves to be named Tower of Bebel... well, then we are lucky to have such a Tower of Bebel with us.” - Vooruit
That was intended as a test to see if people know what the MIA is and can locate the Luxemburg section
Anyway, I'll probably post a notice in the theory forum as well because I find that people don't tend to look at this forum unless they know there's a study group already going on. I read through the first section of the text the other day and it really is short and highly readable, but I think it's still best to tackle the sections in turn, and to allow some reading time, so people can study it in detail, do some background reading if they like, and gather some thoughts.
It's the 10th today by my watch, so I suggest we begin discussing the first section on the 17th - I was going to suggest the 15th or 16th but Ill be traveling on both those dates, hope there are no objections.
A piece of context taken from "Rosa luxemburg speaks":
“Where the worker is regulated bureaucratically from childhood onwards, where he believes in authority, in those set over him, the main thing is to teach him to walk by himself.” - Marx
"It is illogical and incorrect to reduce everything to the economic [socialist] revolution, for the question is: how to eliminate [political] oppression? It cannot be eliminated without an economic revolution... But to limit ourselves to this is to lapse into absurd and wretched ... Economism." - Lenin
"[During a revolution, bourgeois democratic] demands [of the working class] ... push so hard on the outer limits of capital's rule that they appear likewise as forms of transition to a proletarian dictatorship." - Luxemburg
“Well, then go forward, Tower of Bebel! [August] Bebel is one of the most brilliant representatives of scientific international socialism. His writings, speeches and works make up a great tower, a strong arsenal, from which the working class should take their weapons. We cannot recommend it enough… And if the [International] deserves to be named Tower of Bebel... well, then we are lucky to have such a Tower of Bebel with us.” - Vooruit
Thank you Rakunin. Tony Cliff wrote a good biography of Rosa Luxemburg in which he also focuses on her contributions to Marxist theory, in addition to her experiences as a revolutionary, including her conception of the party, her ideas on the relationship between social revolution and the mass strike, the reasons behind her decision to stay inside the SPD, as well as her analysis on the national question, and how this analysis differed from that of Lenin and the Bolsheviks. The entire biography is available here but the chapter that links to our text is entitled Party and Class, here. I think one of the best things about this chapter is how Cliff shows that both Lenin's and Luxemburg's ideas on the party were rooted in the conditions in which they operated as political activists, and in particular the challenges they faced when they debated with other party members on organizational questions. This is definitely something we'll be discussing, so I really recommend this chapter.
It's a bit late, but I still want to do this, so let's begin. I think the first thing that we can say about this text is that the date it was written (1904) is very important, because at the beginning of the 20th century the European left was full of debates about how Marxists should go about organizing themselves, and the relationship between spontaneity and organized leadership. This text was explicitly written in response to Lenin's What is to be Done?, itself written in response to the revisionist section of the Marxist movement, which argued that there was no longer a need for an uncompromising struggle against the bourgeois state or detailed theoretical debate within the movement because changes in the way capitalism operated, as well the achievement of universal suffrage (i.e. changes to the political superstructure), meant that Marxists could realize their goals through reforms within the framework of the capitalist system, instead of having to pursue the overthrow of capitalism, and the construction of a socialist society in its place, as Marx had advocated. This viewpoint was argued most strongly by Bernstein, who, in stressing the struggle for reforms, argued that "the movement is everything, the goal is nothing”. What is to be Done? and Rosa Luxemburg's response can only be understood in this broader context, because Lenin himself admitted that his support for centralism, and stress on the role of intellectuals and their task of injecting socialist ideas into the working class was a case of him "bending the stick" in order to get his point across.
It's a long quote, but I think it provides some useful information (Lenin and the vanguard party). Lenin indeed bent the stick, while Luxemburg, like she used to do, wrote an article not only useful for the Russian proletariat, but also for the German proletariat that was confronted with a growing revisionist, bourgeois trend within the workers' movement (something which didn't really exist in Russia at that time). The differences between Lenin and Luxemburg in theory seem to be huge, but are essentially minor. However, their practical differences were growing since Luxemburg found herself in a much worse situation to build a genuine revolutionary organization.
“Where the worker is regulated bureaucratically from childhood onwards, where he believes in authority, in those set over him, the main thing is to teach him to walk by himself.” - Marx
"It is illogical and incorrect to reduce everything to the economic [socialist] revolution, for the question is: how to eliminate [political] oppression? It cannot be eliminated without an economic revolution... But to limit ourselves to this is to lapse into absurd and wretched ... Economism." - Lenin
"[During a revolution, bourgeois democratic] demands [of the working class] ... push so hard on the outer limits of capital's rule that they appear likewise as forms of transition to a proletarian dictatorship." - Luxemburg
“Well, then go forward, Tower of Bebel! [August] Bebel is one of the most brilliant representatives of scientific international socialism. His writings, speeches and works make up a great tower, a strong arsenal, from which the working class should take their weapons. We cannot recommend it enough… And if the [International] deserves to be named Tower of Bebel... well, then we are lucky to have such a Tower of Bebel with us.” - Vooruit
When Rosa Luxemburg writes:
... was she wrong, right or both depending on the context? According to "Lenin and the vanguard party" she was wrong in her assasement of the Russian situation and therefor she was also wrong in her political conclusions. I think this discussion is definately of great importance for Marxism today because nowadays there are relatively low levels of class consciousness and almost no unified Marxist forces. So, regarding the current situation, does Luxemburg have any relevance?
“Where the worker is regulated bureaucratically from childhood onwards, where he believes in authority, in those set over him, the main thing is to teach him to walk by himself.” - Marx
"It is illogical and incorrect to reduce everything to the economic [socialist] revolution, for the question is: how to eliminate [political] oppression? It cannot be eliminated without an economic revolution... But to limit ourselves to this is to lapse into absurd and wretched ... Economism." - Lenin
"[During a revolution, bourgeois democratic] demands [of the working class] ... push so hard on the outer limits of capital's rule that they appear likewise as forms of transition to a proletarian dictatorship." - Luxemburg
“Well, then go forward, Tower of Bebel! [August] Bebel is one of the most brilliant representatives of scientific international socialism. His writings, speeches and works make up a great tower, a strong arsenal, from which the working class should take their weapons. We cannot recommend it enough… And if the [International] deserves to be named Tower of Bebel... well, then we are lucky to have such a Tower of Bebel with us.” - Vooruit
I think Luxemburg was definitely mistaken if not completely wrong when she argued that "the obstacles offered to the socialist movement by the absence of democratic liberties are of relatively secondary importance." Lenin consistently justified his understanding of the vanguard party, including the need for centralism, and restricting party membership to only the most advanced and committed members of the proletariat, by pointing to the fact that he and other revolutionaries who were consistent in their desire to overthrow Tsarism and carry out the bourgeois revolution were being forced to operate in conditions that were very different from those in western Europe and other countries that has already undergone bourgeois revolutions - he knew that the Okhrana had infiltrated or was in the process of infiltrating all major organizations, and that revolutionaries were liable to be exiled and have their presses shut down if they were uncovered by the Tsarist state. I think that the relative presence of absence of democratic rights is one of the main factors that revolutionaries have to taken into consideration when they discuss strategic questions, and Luxemburg's failure to acknowledge this was one of her mistakes. I also think that there might be some degree of tension in Luxemburg's argument because immediately after rejecting the view that the lack of democracy and liberty in Tsarist Russia was of any real importance for revolutionaries she goes on to argue that the realization of social-democracy can only occur when workers are able to agitate through the press and regular party congresses (as described in the quote posted by Rakunin above) and that this, in turn, can only take place "under a regime of political liberty". This is problematic firstly because it supposes that a clear distinction can be drawn between the winning of political liberty and the overthrow of capitalism (i.e. Luxemburg is not agreeing with Trotsky's argument that the bourgeoisie in Russia was incapable of carrying out its historic tasks and that these tasks would therefore fall to the proletariat, and be achieved as part of a permanent revolution) but more importantly because it clashes with what she says right at the beginning of the document. Is there a real contradiction here, or am I reading her arguments incorrectly?
She wrote that democratic liberties for of "relative secondary" importance, which doesn't mean something like "unnecessary".
“Where the worker is regulated bureaucratically from childhood onwards, where he believes in authority, in those set over him, the main thing is to teach him to walk by himself.” - Marx
"It is illogical and incorrect to reduce everything to the economic [socialist] revolution, for the question is: how to eliminate [political] oppression? It cannot be eliminated without an economic revolution... But to limit ourselves to this is to lapse into absurd and wretched ... Economism." - Lenin
"[During a revolution, bourgeois democratic] demands [of the working class] ... push so hard on the outer limits of capital's rule that they appear likewise as forms of transition to a proletarian dictatorship." - Luxemburg
“Well, then go forward, Tower of Bebel! [August] Bebel is one of the most brilliant representatives of scientific international socialism. His writings, speeches and works make up a great tower, a strong arsenal, from which the working class should take their weapons. We cannot recommend it enough… And if the [International] deserves to be named Tower of Bebel... well, then we are lucky to have such a Tower of Bebel with us.” - Vooruit