Do you eat meat?Poll#4

[F9]

This is the 4th poll on this, you can find the past ones here for the first, here for the second and here for the third.
Discuss, and continue the ongoing discussions on the last one.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I voted the first option. I have no problems with eating meat. It's yummy. ^_^

[Invincible Summer]

Vegan, although not that strict. For example, some non-dairy cheeses have casein/rennet (animal enzymes) in them, but IMO to go to the micro level like that is a bit much.. plus I haven't found any decent non-dairy cheeses that are 100% vegan and don't cost a ridiculous amount of money.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Vegan and vegetarian diets tend to be way more expensive anyway. I have a friend who used to be vegetarian.

[Invincible Summer]

Vegan and vegetarian diets tend to be way more expensive anyway. I have a friend who used to be vegetarian.

If you don't buy that expensive cheese and stuff like that (imitation meats, etc which are high in sodium and usually taste odd anyway) then it's not that expensive at all.

A majority of my diet consists of either beans/lentils/rice and tofu and whatever vegetables I feel like eating. For drinks, I just drink water or soy/almond/rice milk.. usually soy cuz it's cheaper.

I haven't really compared a meat-eating grocery bill to a vegan/vegetarian though, so I can't say for sure which is cheaper, but I know that my diet is not expensive.

Oh and an interesting article on food growing subsidies: http://agonist.org/ian_welsh/2007110...ng_unhealthily

[LOLseph Stalin]

Well I guess if you know how to get the right products it wouldn't be bad, but from my experience it always seemed like vegan/vegetarian products were more.

[Invincible Summer]

Well I guess if you know how to get the right products it wouldn't be bad, but from my experience it always seemed like vegan/vegetarian products were more.

Yeah, products marketed as "vegan/vegetarian alternatives" are indeed expensive. Seriously... $15 for a vegan cheesecake that's like 6" in diameter

But I usually just buy staples: brown rice, lentils, beans, chickpea, tofu, tempeh, veggies, various sauces, etc.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Yeah, products marketed as "vegan/vegetarian alternatives" are indeed expensive. Seriously... $15 for a vegan cheesecake that's like 6" in diameter

But I usually just buy staples: brown rice, lentils, beans, chickpea, tofu, tempeh, veggies, various sauces, etc.

Yea, it was those foods such as the cheesecake I was referring too. Definitely not cheap.

[Vincent P.]

The only meat product I eat is fish. Much more healthy...

[Jazzratt]

Because I don't particularly care about how healthy my diet is and I certainly couldn't give a fuck for animal rights if you paid me, I eat meat.

[F9]

Meat, the best thing ever, if i ever got in a vegetarians home, i would die from starving.

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[Yazman]

Because I don't particularly care about how healthy my diet is and I certainly couldn't give a fuck for animal rights if you paid me, I eat meat.

Anybody who says a diet including meat is unhealthy is fucking delusional anyway.

**Edit 28 November, 2011** ^^^Damn dude that's way too harsh and kind of over the top to say. I actually disagree with this statement, it's more accurate to say a diet including meat can be plenty healthy, it's really just a concern of a) food quality and b) regulation of how much you eat.

[Pawn Power]

Anybody who says a diet including meat is unhealthy is fucking delusional anyway.

I think 'delusional' is too strong a word. These ideas arn't completely unfounded. Recently a major study concluded that red meat increases mortality risk.

I eat meat and think that its protein is important, particularly that in fish.

[JohannGE]

I hope people will excuse my responding here to the following questions from Yazman caried over from the previous thread.

There were a few others I noticed you seem to have dodged, but these are the more important ones. You basically avoided responding to these comments he made:

First of all I can assure you that I felt no inclination to "dodge" or "avoid" any points refferenced to me in the thread. If I ever do, I will say so. There are many reasons not to respond.

As you asked though I will gladly clarify on these particular ones.

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Control and domination are not coterminous with abuse and destruction.
Do you disagree with this statement? Control and domination of nature do not mean abuse and destruction. I don't know why you would think it does.

No I don't disagree with that statement, that would be ridiculous and I am suprised you would ask. I don't know why you would think I would.

It could, and it could be argued that it likely would, mean abuse and destruction, but I don't believe it is neccissarily so.

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Oh dear, the idea of putting humans first... how quaintly "Victorian"!
You have yet to respond to why anthropocentrism is negative or detrimental, as well.

Nor do I believe that anthropocentrism is neccisarily negetive or detrimental. Again to do so would be ridiculous and I don't think you have any reason to believe I would say so.

Anthropocentrism like the more nebulous "abuse and destruction" mentioned above could be negative or detrimental depending on how it is defined and/or implemented.

In my opinion, it would be immposible to impliment the principles of anthropcenterism in a way that was not negative or detrimental, without taking full account of current scientific evidence. Killing the goose that lays the golden eggs would not be at all anthropocentric.

[Invincible Summer]

Anybody who says a diet including meat is unhealthy is fucking delusional anyway.

Meat in itself isn't unhealthy, but people tend to over-consume red meat and buy fattier meats and that is what is unhealthy.

[RedAnarchist]

I have no problem eating meat. I despise cruelty towards animals, but the animals we eat as meat products were born for that purpose, and as far as I know are killed humanely.

I don't care what other people eat and why they do or do not eat certain foods. It's their body, their choice.

[Pawn Power]

I have no problem eating meat. I despise cruelty towards animals, but the animals we eat as meat products were born for that purpose, and as far as I know are killed humanely.

They can't be killed 'humanely' because they are not human. But if by humane you me 'kindly' or 'compassionately' you thought wrong. Slaughterhouses are mechanical and callous-- the opposite of 'humane.'

[Invincible Summer]

They can't be killed 'humanely' because they are not human. But if by humane you me 'kindly' or 'compassionately' you thought wrong. Slaughterhouses are mechanical and callous-- the opposite of 'humane.'

What really gets me is that some slaughterhouse workers start swearing and verbally harassing the animals while they beat them so they move into a pen or something. It's sadistic.

[synthesis]

They can't be killed 'humanely' because they are not human.

Main Entry:hu·manePronunciation: \hyü-ˈmān, yü-\ Function:adjective Etymology:Middle English humainDate:circa 1500 1 : marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals

But if by humane you me 'kindly' or 'compassionately' you thought wrong. Slaughterhouses are mechanical and callous-- the opposite of 'humane.'

When it comes to a slaughterhouse, humaneness is relative. It's hard to kill anything "with compassion" unless it is already in tremendous pain.

[Invincible Summer]

When it comes to a slaughterhouse, humaneness is relative. It's hard to kill anything "with compassion" unless it is already in tremendous pain.

Well, we could at least find a better way to make their deaths painless and swift. Captive bolt guns are the best we have right now, but even then they're not 100%. I think I read they only cause instant death in 75% of the animals or smth cuz you have to ensure the animal isn't moving too much to hit the right spot of the brain.

But there is not really any demand for it because the average consumer of meat is so disassociated from their food that all they care about is when they'll get their rib eye. They don't connect the steak to the living, breathing cow.