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I got a strange feeling from one of the earlier posts that there are still the occasional people who think that Anarchism is related to mindless chaos, pointless rebellion, etc. That's understandable, it's the view that Cappies try to promote. However, it is incorrect. A link, for anyone interested in learning what it really is:
Anarchism
It's a lot of reading, take it slow.
Cheers.
I'll tell you why Anarchists use che as a symbol of their struggle.
At this point of our glorious revolution(capitalism currently is in total power) we(communists and socialists alike) must join forces with anarchists in order to allow any change. Right now we are all enemies of the current system, so it's ok.
Once we get rid of this shitty system then you can start monegering amound yourselvs...
Please people, a bit of solidarity
War is Peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorence is strength -1984
Revolution hero: anarchist cant have che in their flag just because THEY DONT HAVE FLAGS!! No lord no flag no law!!! its what anarchism is about! A flag is a symbol of power, those "anarchists" you saw should just bee punks! not real anarchists like me! anarchism is not like other politics because it isnt a politic, is freedom is the ultimate state of the human being!
Actually there is law in anarchy. You aren't able to violate another person's civil rights which makes it illegal and only laws can do this. Where the hell did the "You can't be an anarchist if you have a flag" theory come from? Anarchists use those flags to show who we are and what we stand for. There's nothing in any anarchist theory that you can't have a flag.
And as for Che being a symbol for anarchists, he is used because he was a revolutionary who fought against the system just as anarchists do, just as communists do.
There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror... --- Mark Twain
There are several common flags that represent Anarchy. The Black Flag, the Red-and-Black Flag, and the Circle A.
Both Communism and Anarchy want the state to wither away. They have more in common than people often think.
"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of
hmm....interesting. I had thought that the red and black flag was a socialist flag. I also thought that the black was on top of the red. Interesting. Are there any flags for socialism?
Yes, I've seen it both ways. Black on red, red on black. I'm not sure if there is a "right" way.
"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of
but that is an anarchist flag? are you sure of this? if so is there a socialist flag? i could of sworn that there was one but supposedly it is the anarchist flag. I believe you I am simply surprised.
OMG!!! its like
"i'm more anarchist than you!"
"No your not"
"Yes i am!"
"No your not, your just a wanna be"
etc etc etc
Does it really matter if you have a fucking flag or not!?!?!?
When will all of us realize that its division in the LEFT which is our downfall. It stopped the left from defeating, and stopping hitler coming to power in germany, and its stopping us from getting any where in politics. PLEASE!!! DOES IT MATTER IF WE HAVN'T A FLAG, A BLACK FLAG, A RED FLAG OR A FECKING A PINK AND GREEN POCKER DOT FLAG !!!
Please stop this mindless arguing. There is no need!
G-R-O-W U-P
regards,
James
EDIT: this ain't directed at anyone in particular, espeically FoH...FoH is just informing, along with others. Sorry if i seem bit rash.
(Edited by James at 6:54 pm on May 26, 2002)
Captain Blackadder: You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war two great super-armies developed. Us, the Russians and the French on one side, Germany and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea being that each army would act as the other's deterrent. That way, there could never be a war.
Private Baldrick: Except, this is sort of a war, isn't it?
Captain Blackadder: That's right. There was one tiny flaw in the plan.
Lieutenant George: O, what was that?
Captain Blackadder: It was bollocks.
i dont believe how anarchists can taint the image of che with the scum ideology of anarchism.
When will socialist realise that if/when the communist revolution is fought and won for, and when millions of people will have died for the victory, then the anarchists will step up and stab us in the back, just like they did in the first internationale.
They are not "left", just because they are anti-cappie.
Most fascists are anti-cappie, and i dont think they are "left", so why dont we wake up and see we are different and unless anarchists let us pave the way forward, they are against us.
The enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend
Comrade Kamo
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<span style=\'color:red\'>Proleteriat of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our chains!</span>
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anarchists are as left as you can get. What possible damage can anarchists really do, besides overthrowing your precious state?
\"Ultimately, all true revolutionaries are motivated by love.\"--Che
my state being?
<span style=\'color:red\'>www.marxist.com Committee for a Marxist International</span>
<span style=\'color:red\'>Proleteriat of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our chains!</span>
<span style=\'color:red\'>HandsOffVenezuela in solidarity with the Venezuelan workers and the Venezuelan Revolution</span>
Kamo,
Why are you so hostile to Anarchists? I've never known anyone on the authoritarian left to be as angry with anarchists as yourself.
Most opponents of anarchy think that anarchists are well-meaning but misguided in some way (too idealistic, too impractical, whatever).
If anything, anarchists have been the victims of state violence perpetrated by sundry Leninist, Trotskyist and Stalinist elements. Not the other way round.
I won't take orders from you Kamo. Does that make me your enemy?
As for Che, he was repeatedly asked point blank if he was a communist. He generally replied by saying that he was a "Latin American Patriot".
He was very suspicious of the U.S.S.R. and China. He wanted Cuba to align itself with third world nations instead.
In fact, the cuban communists loved to distance
themselves from Castro's 26th of July Movement - until it became clear that they might actually win.
The Bolivian communist party also tried to hamper Che's efforts there. Now they are all over his dick. Go figure.
Che does not belong to any party. He belongs to the global underdog and anyone who sides with him.
\"I feel a revulsion for money. Its a fucking fetish.\" Che Guevara
About why anarchists carry che flags, maybe that is because Che is such a powerful character and after all, he was a "fuck the system"ist, though not an anarchist.
\"If dolphins are so smart, then why do they live in igloos?\"
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