What view? "Government" doesn't exist.
How do you figure that's idealistic?
the state is a group of people sanctioning themselves in the name of the people to do violence to the people for...
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What view? "Government" doesn't exist.
How do...What view? "Government" doesn't exist.
How do you figure that's idealistic?
the state is a group of people sanctioning themselves in the name of the people to do violence to the people for...
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http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/cold...http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/coldoffthepresses/anavsoc.html
this has to do with "socialism," but-
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If "communism" at any time calls for or requires...If "communism" at any time calls for or requires a state, then it is inconsistent with anarchism.
Marx called for various state monopolies in the communist manifesto.
This is obviously inconsistent...
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The belief that they have the "right to rule" is...The belief that they have the "right to rule" is what makes it/them "government" in their minds.
I've never heard anybody call a mugger, or some random person barking orders to everyone on the...
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States, as groups of individuals calling...States, as groups of individuals calling themselves states and claiming everyone is their "subject," and getting people to believe it, exist.
"Government" is the belief in a superhuman entity which...
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If I die, I die "good and proper" rather than...If I die, I die "good and proper" rather than live as a thief, exploiter, or tyrant.
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http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2573611&p...http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2573611&postcount=1
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"but it's hurting my head" that might be..."but it's hurting my head" that might be congnitive dissonance.
" Why wouldn't you want the guarantee that society will care for you if you honestly require it due to not being able to provide...
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Funny, I sort of feel like I'm talking to people...Funny, I sort of feel like I'm talking to people who believe 'government' exists, or.. something.
"redblood has decided that we're all being secretly, or openly, forced into giving a shit about...
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Im not mistaking "do you think others should be...Im not mistaking "do you think others should be forced to help people?" -- "yes." as "reciprocity." If you want to live up to "reciprocity," I suggest you get on a plane and come over here to take...
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redblood blackflag: do you think you should be...redblood blackflag: do you think you should be forced, or force other people to help others? isnt that laying claim to the labor of others?
blake's baby: of course i do. of course it is. i think...
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What point is that?What point is that?
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I'm not talking about not collaborating, I'm...I'm not talking about not collaborating, I'm talking about forcing people to collaborate with you.
It seems apparent that far more misery and death has happened due to and at the hands of people who...
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I dont deny that, in fact I often say that to...I dont deny that, in fact I often say that to "bob black let's abolish work anarchists" (i may be misunderstanding their position, or they may have different meanings for these words- but they don't...
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"This entails that we each contribute our own..."This entails that we each contribute our own skills to receive the labor of others in return" that isnt what these guys are saying. they are saying you obligated to labor for them, and give up what...
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11."Society has an obligation to protect the weak...11."Society has an obligation to protect the weak and infirm." Society being an abstraction, it has no brain for decision making, no feelings, and no sense of values in and of itself. Therefore, by...
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It isnt a "bargain." You are saying i am...It isnt a "bargain." You are saying i am obligated to care for you, that i inherently owe YOU because OTHER people make things. It isnt an offer.
It's you saying everyone is everyone elses slave....
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No, because "the community" is a floating...No, because "the community" is a floating abstraction that doesn't do anything, it has no mind, it has no body, etc.
The community didnt raise me, or you.
" I think it's pretty obvious to...
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"Your idea that the results of labor should be..."Your idea that the results of labor should be retained by the particular individuals who did that labor (all by themselves) is nonsense because a single individual is not capable of getting any...
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dont you mean how society produces things on an...dont you mean how society produces things on an assembly line?
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this isnt even my argument. I know i didnt make...this isnt even my argument. I know i didnt make everything I use. My argument is that I am not obligated to you, because other people made something I use, and they are not obligated to give me...
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they go out and manipulate nature....:confused:
they go out and manipulate nature. take braches, make a shelter, turn soil, plant seeds, dig up ore, forge it, whatever. Social interaction does not even = individuals do not produce...
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good thing society made all this stuff for us...good thing society made all this stuff for us before the first individuals got here.
I'm not talking about the world I desire, I thought I've made that clear. I'm not looking for "utopia," I don't...
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Even if you caught some frisbee, I'm not...Even if you caught some frisbee, I'm not obligated to you for anything, though that doesn't mean I wouldnt thank you or offer something in thanks.
Like I asked, is your concept of "charity" doing...
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"Do you remeber that time in the park in 1994..."Do you remeber that time in the park in 1994 when you weren't hit in the face by that frisbee, and you didn't go to hospital and lose an eye? Of course you don't, I stopped it happening. You're...