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Ulster Socialist, I think that is one of the best posts I have ever read on Revleft. I cannot really add to that - it is word perfect and word for word what I believe. Politically that statement is as accurate as possible. You will give your beliefs a bad name if you're seen to be the one bringing about the violence.

Ah, trial by fire, how Masonic! Nonesense, I'm sorry, but an innocent person's house in the vicinity could also catch fire and you could end up in jail - what good are you in jail?

While I would love to see them dead I don't quite think resorting to Aztec rituals is quite necessary.

I have to ask you now not to go too far, do not kill them or disable them or whatever; not only is that politically a disaster but it casts a huge shadow over the left-wing movement. We do not want peaceful workers, from whom we could gain support, to associate us with senseless violence - as I'm sure the media would portray us. Please do not do anything to endanger yourself, it really isn't worth it for such a small, insignificant victory. I agree with Ulster Socialist, destroy them politically, destroy them in the public's image; resorting to violence will only backfire on you, no matter how noble your intent.

the media could not afford to defend racist nazis! it would make them look bad. you know how politically correct the media is and defending nazi scum is politically in correct something they will not do.

i got them comrades pm me if you would like to know how, victory is ours :ph34r:

This thread is all talk.

I'll admit, the molotov stuff is kind of stupid, but after talking to Red Radical, I'm pretty sure it's not "all talk".

the moltov thing was really dumb

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fwzep82vcYU

You guys have GOT to watch this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mSWChUV0p...elated&search=


this pisses me off damn nazis :angry:

ha ha surprise surprise the police are just standing around protecting them as usual, TBH Im not concerned about these losers, they seem tiny theyre certainly nowhere near as big as say the BNP and i couldnt see or hear any supporting listeners. All i could hear was them getting shouted down by antifa comrades.

Agreed. As he said, he carried out his plan and got away with it, without doing anything stupid like burning houses. We should all congratulate him for what he's done and hope that more stuff like this happens all over the world. There is not enough militant antifascism in America as there should be, so props to whoever can do stuff like this.

Outnumbered what? 15 to 1?

Perfect Antifa odds.

The same thing that happened in Lansing happened in Madison. They actually drowned 'em out in Madison :D . The fuckrod police arrested random protestors though :angry: .

Yeah, they are. I don't get why people seem to have a problem with fighting dirty and being "cheap". Street fights are not the same as MMA fights, there are no rules. If you don't fight dirty in a street fight, you're an idiot.

Exactly. This isn't a gentleman's boxing club, it's a war. If you have the opportunity to attack with overwhelming force, it would be stupid not to just so you can be sporting. You do what you have to do to ensure victory with the smallest chance of serious injury, death, etc. If you want to go one on one with a bonehead when you could have more, you're an idiot.

If you, with 14 of your friends, pick a street fight with one or two people, then you are degenerate scoundrel filth.

One on one is different than the pathetic and cowardly swarming techniques used by Antifa and Nazis alike.

And, last time I checked, Antifas start more fights and end up sending more MISGUIDED YOUTHS to the hospital then any Nazi group ever did, at least where I am from.

left unchecked the nazis have the potential to send millions to their deaths.

Dont you ever forget that.

As much as i would rather see peaceful means used first, I wouldnt have a problem with a group of antifa kicking the shit out of a fash if it means preventing another 100 hitler wannabes, especially if the fash in question are actively promoting violence themselves. It is impossible to reason with these scumbags.

That is propaganda, in its purist form.

So we should swarm and beat up a teenager who is wearing a swastika patch? Yes, that will really give him a great epiphany as to what life is. Or should we stab a 14 year old in the throat for wearing white laces and a bomber jacket? Why not? It was defense of the people, right? Maybe throw a 16 year old down a flight of stairs for wearing a skrewdriver shirt? How about swarming and severly beating an Eastern-European immigrant who, with poor english abilities, could not explain that his shaved head was not an expression of Nazism?* Well, he was probably just denying, like all Nazis do? Right?

I hate to break it to, comrade, but a HUGE portion of the teenagers who are Nazis give it up before they are in their 20's. They do NOT need to be targeted with violence. Think about it. If a group of Nazis beat you to a bloody pulp, would that make you not want to be a Leftist anymore? Misguided youth are people, don't you ever forget that.

Would you support the same swarming tactics against someone of any other political ideology? Of course not. Take is this way. Your quote, if used by a Nazi to justify violence against Leftists, it would say this:
And there is JUST as much historical evidence to side with this quote as yours.

Violence is NOT an effective method on ending violence, and beating teenagers into palsy does not end hate. Don't you ever fucking forget that, comrade.

*All of these instances are actual happenings in the past few years here.

if their are any minorities (migrent workers, queers, people of color, athiests, etc..) in your community, try speaking to them
also try bulding a positive vision

No its called reality, have you ever read the poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller?
It goes like this-
''In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

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So we should swarm and beat up a teenager who is wearing a swastika patch? Yes, that will really give him a great epiphany as to what life is. Or should we stab a 14 year old in the throat for wearing white laces and a bomber jacket? Why not? It was defense of the people, right? Maybe throw a 16 year old down a flight of stairs for wearing a skrewdriver shirt? How about swarming and severly beating an Eastern-European immigrant who, with poor english abilities, could not explain that his shaved head was not an expression of Nazism?* Well, he was probably just denying, like all Nazis do? Right?[/b]

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No fuck off, you're taking what i said out of context. In case you havent read my previous posts, I am perfectly aware that not all 'skinheads' are bona fide nazis. Im referring specifically to the mature grass roots activists, who are actively promoting a fash party or encouraging or engaging in acts of racist aggression or intimidation. These are the ones that need to be made an example of, so they are aware that this scum will not be tolerated in our neighbourhoods.

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I hate to break it to, comrade, but a HUGE portion of the teenagers who are Nazis give it up before they are in their 20's. They do NOT need to be targeted with violence. Think about it. If a group of Nazis beat you to a bloody pulp, would that make you not want to be a Leftist anymore? Misguided youth are people, don't you ever forget that.

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Again im not referring to the little johnnies, im referring to the die hard core BNP /NF brigade like the Mick Treacies and John Tyndalls. Im perfectly aware that the impressionable ones are the type we need to win over, but there will always be the die hard core set in their way. Frankly I couldnt care if someone put a bullet in this lot.

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Would you support the same swarming tactics against someone of any other political ideology? Of course not. Take is this way. Your quote, if used by a Nazi to justify violence against Leftists, it would say this:

If Left unchecked the Communists have the potential to send millions to their deaths.

Don't you ever forget that.

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Woooah i hope you enjoy what little time you have outside the OI board, because believe me you wont have much more if you keep up with that sort of talk.

In any case, it wasnt the communists that killed millions, it was a deformed form of socialism better known as state capitalism, most of the tradgedy in question would have been avoidable had it not been for the economic and military meddling of the U$A and its whore satellite states.
For your benefit, it is for this reason that most comrades on this board actually oppose the USSR, its ideaology and other state capitalist countries rather than defend them.

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All of which is moot, as i've already said.

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Violence is NOT an effective method on ending violence, and beating teenagers into palsy does not end hate. Don't you ever fucking forget that, comrade.

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Its not an effective method of ending violence but it is an effective proverbial stick in disuading others. And dont call me comrade, you reactionary fash apologist scumbag.

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None of which implicate the broad revolutionary or antifa school of thought.

If you were a general in the military and you were attempting to take over a city filled with 1,000 enemy combatants, would you attack it with 1,000 soldiers of your own, or with 14,000? If you chose the former, you are a total and absolute idiot.