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@September 02, 2007 03:58 pm
but it isnt....if you can meatgrind through thousands and there will still be fascists. if revolutionaries started consecutively killing fascists, it would only draw more fascists to be killed , and to kill more comrades. world war 2 was the defeat of a government, not a fascism. Fascism is not something that we directly can grab hold of, and strangle
Okay, now... you have stated your opinion (many times). As you are becoming repetitive, I will ask a different question.
Okay, violence is not the answer. What is?
Nothing else is when it comes to the Nazis and fascists. You can't reason with them. They're too thick, they're too monstrous for reasoning, you have to meet them with force. Fist, firebomb, and bullet. That would be the only thing they can significantly respond to, they're that thick.
An often fatal flaw that many people make in a competitive scenario is to underestimate their opponents' abilities. Fascist are not as "thick" as you make them out to be. They're not all drunken idiots that have no reasoning capabilities.
What? Explain. Please, explain.
And also, aren't those kind you're talking about the minority? [/b]
What I mean is they're not all drunken idiots just as much as we are all not skinny, vegan punks.
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Originally posted by Black Flag Rising@September 02, 2007 03:37 pm
Go ahead and do it. Sink to the level of a murderer.
What do you suggest the AntiFas do about Fascists killing/fatally harming Revolutionaries? As Jazzratt indicated previously, violence is the most effective solution, it is a fact of life. World War II, the perfect example. I don't support savage murder as much as the next guy, so I refer to it as "Anti-Fascist Action" :lol:. [/quote]
Not specifically just in response to you, but in response to all of those that are supporting murder:
You are so into this? Go kill someone, otherwise, stop sitting around venting your anger over something that you have no part of (with the exception of those who are in Russia). I would love to see how many of you guys are actually capable of the murder you praise.
The comparison between now and WWII is absurd, as there are two completely different situations. One, was a war between states (that is, two professional armies clashing), this situation is petty gorilla (I have used this purposely) warfare between two pathetic rag-tag groups both trying to "uphold" their "values" in the most appropriate Jacobian manner. I do tire of these Jacobin ideas, and I HIGHLY doubt that anyone here wants another reign of terror.
So, if you disagree with me and want to call me a "Pacifist", then, put your money where your mouth is! (pardon the capitalist slang) Go out and not be a pacifist! Go resort to the pathetic swarming techniques! Go send misguided youth to hospitals! Go kill!
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Originally Posted by Black Flag Rising,September 02, 2007 03:37 pm
Go ahead and do it. Sink to the level of a murderer.
What do you suggest the AntiFas do about Fascists killing/fatally harming Revolutionaries? As Jazzratt indicated previously, violence is the most effective solution, it is a fact of life. World War II, the perfect example. I don't support savage murder as much as the next guy, so I refer to it as "Anti-Fascist Action" :lol:.
Not specifically just in response to you, but in response to all of those that are supporting murder:
You are so into this? Go kill someone, otherwise, stop sitting around venting your anger over something that you have no part of (with the exception of those who are in Russia). I would love to see how many of you guys are actually capable of the murder you praise.
The comparison between now and WWII is absurd, as there are two completely different situations. One, was a war between states (that is, two professional armies clashing), this situation is petty gorilla (I have used this purposely) warfare between two pathetic rag-tag groups both trying to "uphold" their "values" in the most appropriate Jacobian manner. I do tire of these Jacobin ideas, and I HIGHLY doubt that anyone here wants another reign of terror.
So, if you disagree with me and want to call me a "Pacifist", then, put your money where your mouth is! (pardon the capitalist slang) Go out and not be a pacifist! Go resort to the pathetic swarming techniques! Go send misguided youth to hospitals! Go kill! [/quote]
Your right, I wouldn't be able to kill a Nazi. But, in all truth, I would not mind violence against them around me. Perhaps it is because I am a total armchair revolutionary, (un)fortunately(perhaps), or perhaps because I'm simply a ***** :blink:
No matter a method, it is quite irrelevant, actually. When dust comes to dust, one truth remains: something must be done.
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@September 02, 2007 03:58 pm
but it isnt....if you can meatgrind through thousands and there will still be fascists. if revolutionaries started consecutively killing fascists, it would only draw more fascists to be killed , and to kill more comrades. world war 2 was the defeat of a government, not a fascism. Fascism is not something that we directly can grab hold of, and strangle
Okay, now... you have stated your opinion (many times). As you are becoming repetitive, I will ask a different question.
Okay, violence is not the answer. What is?
Nothing else is when it comes to the Nazis and fascists. You can't
reason with them. They're too thick, they're too monstrous for reasoning, you have to meet them with force. Fist, firebomb, and bullet. That would be the only thing they can significantly respond to, they're that thick. [/b]
So you suggest we simply do nothing and let the Fascists grow?
Fight them by any means necessary. Russia, honestly, is cooked. They probably will become fascist unless the leftists unite.
We can't let the NSM in America or the BNP in Britain get that much power and organization.
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@September 02, 2007 03:58 pm
but it isnt....if you can meatgrind through thousands and there will still be fascists. if revolutionaries started consecutively killing fascists, it would only draw more fascists to be killed , and to kill more comrades. world war 2 was the defeat of a government, not a fascism. Fascism is not something that we directly can grab hold of, and strangle
Okay, now... you have stated your opinion (many times). As you are becoming repetitive, I will ask a different question.
Okay, violence is not the answer. What is?
Nothing else is when it comes to the Nazis and fascists. You can't reason with them. They're too thick, they're too monstrous for reasoning, you have to meet them with force. Fist, firebomb, and bullet. That would be the only thing they can significantly respond to, they're that thick.
So you suggest we simply do nothing and let the Fascists grow? [/b]
No, you fight them, as I just stated there.
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@September 02, 2007 03:58 pm
but it isnt....if you can meatgrind through thousands and there will still be fascists. if revolutionaries started consecutively killing fascists, it would only draw more fascists to be killed , and to kill more comrades. world war 2 was the defeat of a government, not a fascism. Fascism is not something that we directly can grab hold of, and strangle
Okay, now... you have stated your opinion (many times). As you are becoming repetitive, I will ask a different question.
Okay, violence is not the answer. What is?
Nothing else is when it comes to the Nazis and fascists. You can't reason with them. They're too thick, they're too monstrous for reasoning, you have to meet them with force. Fist, firebomb, and bullet. That would be the only thing they can significantly respond to, they're that thick.
So you suggest we simply do nothing and let the Fascists grow?
No, you fight them, as I just stated there. [/b]
Oh shit, lol, I thought you were disagreeing with force :lol: sorry...