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Originally posted by R_P_A_S@March 26, 2007 05:13 am
I was disappointed. from both sides...
How can I debate or "knock some sense" into this minute man. or this ANTI IMMIGRATION RACIST.
Is being anti-immigration racist? I don't think so. Im not 'anti-immigrant', but in some ways
I am Anti-immigration, and you should be to. I respect the fact that all humans are equal,
that's not up for debate. But when I ask leftists why immigration is good, they give me facts and statistics to show how they boost the economy of the country or something similar. (which is true, in the UK asylum seekers bring something like 8 million in profit per anum)
But we want to
destroy this economy, not boost it. Immigration therefore benefits capitalism, which is why they don't stop it. Also, creating tensions between "illegal workers" and 'workers' benefits the rulers.
The fact is that most immigrants don't really want to leave their homeland. The Mexicans that try to make it over the boarder often have to leave their entire families, friends, and heritage. The place they grew up - the people they love. And the reason they have to leave is
capitalism. Social inequality. Saying we want immigration can sometimes sound like support for this situation, a process that
benefits capitalism.
If someone is anti-immigration, ask them why they think immigration happens. It's because one country is phenomenally better than the other economically. And that in order to stop immigration you'd have to stop the inequality, and that means
smashing globalization.
But also, you would need to root out the cultural chauvinism that often exists in the mainstream anti-immigrant movement. Mention the vast benefits that immigration has brought, for example (to England) Engineering, Bridges, Gunpowder, Spices, Cloth, Music, etc. And to oppose that is not only stupid, but pointless, as immigration and cultural mixing has been going on since the start of recorded history - it isn't going to stop now. Nor should it.
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"we want our country back?" I'm so fucking angry right now tell you guys this. is there no damn hope for those reactionary pieces of shit? =/
Of course there is. They're working class people who feel
disempowered. "We want our country back"? fair enough!. I can equate country to "community" and I certainly do want my community back! - from the capitalists. Who make massive decisions that effect my life, who are completely unaccountable, who sell guns to gangs operating in my area (who could be mexican gangs) fucked over by social inequality caused by neo-liberalism, and NAFTA etc. They feel disempowered but have been tricked into blaming the wrong people. Immigrants have no influence in society, they are often the ones screwed over the most, so we really should work with them to "take our country back"
If we say we support immigration, to the uneducated, who see social problems but blame the wrong people, we almost sound like stuges of the ruling class.
moved to politics.