Spartacus Ex Machina - a new kind of democratic information machine

(from "Spartacus Ex Machina")
(https tag stuff here) warforquadranttwo (dot) files (dot) wordpress (dot) com/2017/11/sex_machina (dot) pdf


> In the middle of this century,
> a new kind of public and democratic
> information machine will emerge as
> an invincible weapon in the struggle
> of the proletariat to break free
> from the rule of capital and
> fulfill all the dreams of humankind.
>
> This machine will connect
> every part of the proletarian mind.
> This machine will allow the proletariat
> to make itself conscious, and
> create a world of peace, abundance,
> and genuine community for all.
>
> This is the last century in which humans
> will be constantly bombarded with information
> which is created by slaves, and which is
> aimed at exploiting them and controlling their
> minds. In its place will be free information.
>
> As this happens, then it must follow, as night
> the day, that the proletariat will make itself
> conscious, liquidate the rule of capital, and
> emerge from the darkness.


-- Ben Seattle

Got any proof for you claims?

Also lol @ sex_machina being part of ur URL, I ain't clicking that shit

Hi there. I have proof for some claims, not others. The most important thing, imho, is to study and understand class society and how it works. Many find that it works different than they have been taught. I am interested in discussion with serious people. If anyone has serious questions--let me know. -- Ben Seattle

I will add something else. I did not come to RevLeft to talk to the lol people. If you want entertainment, you are more likely to find it somewhere else.

Anyone who wants to know if I can support my claims--is free to look at my article--and read the first few paragraphs--and decide if the article is worth reading--or is a waste of their time. If they read my article--then they can decide, for themselves, if the arguments it contains are consistent with their own observations about how things work and the direction in which things are moving.

People who demand we "prove" things are usually shallow or inexperienced. I have known people who do not consider evolution to be "proven".

The world is full of pain. Some are determined to end this pain. Those people are the people I want to talk to.

Not an lol'er (read: mild shithead) -- here's a serious health tip for anyone and everyone to *biochemically* relieve pain: tinyurl.com/sole-sea-salt

i completely agree with post #2 in that thread

Gonna follow this trend and go ahead and agree with this part of post #12 in that same thread:
ETA:
Wait holy shit ckaihatsu seriously has to start by stressing that his magic salt water will ~*%)^biochemically^(%*~ relieve pain (which, btw, is the wrong pain to be relevant and on topic to the thread) just because he thinks that if he throws out enough science jargon he will somehow convince you that his magic salt water is anything other than table salt and water.

Actually, stay *away* from regular table salt -- it's been processed. Sea salt has necessary *minerals*.

You're being overly dismissive, without any knowledge to back up your purely knee-jerk, contrarian position.

how much of w/e necessary minerals does sea salt have in it

Sufficient amounts, by my own experience -- you can research it, too, of course. I do one capful from a mini mouthwash bottle, and the same of borax, twice a day for both, washed down with water -- quite potent -- !

What is so bad about being "processed"?
Which minerals does sea salt have that table salt doesn't? The Google results are showing it to have a wide variance depending on where it's taken from. Which sea is the best sea to harvest salt?

Furthermore, my research shows that tablesalt vs sea salt they are essentially equivalent in nutritional value, and where they aren't the difference is so minor as to have no effect on your health. ESPECIALLY if your diet is already not terrible to begin with. Basically you came into a thread and posted something off topic and are now trying to defend it despite the fact that it has no basis in science- you are derailing threads again.

Also drinking borax is the stupidest thing in the world. When you say "potent" I can only assume that you're talking about how shitty it tastes. How the hell are you measuring potency anyway? Is there a scientific evaluation of the potency? Or are you basing it entirely around the way you feel?

I'm aware that I can research it. How are you measuring sufficiency? Aside from your personal experience with it, are there any peer reviewed science releases on this topic, ones that defend your claims here?

My understanding is that table salt has had those minerals, whatever they are, *stripped away*, while sea salt retains them.


I've seen claims of a gradient of quality, depending on source, but in my experience *any* sea salt will do, because of the minerals retained.



Again, it's mostly about the minerals, from what I understand.



There's nothing inappropriate with what I did -- it was a topical aside, spun-off from the content of a prior post, so it was relevant to the actual substance of discussion. It was brief, included a link to further information, and you could have certainly left it at that, but, no -- you're showing that you have some kind of *possessiveness* regarding the board, and you obviously feel that your petty opinion regarding suitability is necessarily the correct one, when it's in fact *not*. It's only your own subjective opinion yet you continually *project* it out with a cloak of authority, on mere contention / assertion, without even bothering to state a case (line of reasoning) for it.

The info is most-certainly based in science, contrary to your continued habit of baseless assertions.



There's nothing stupid about utilizing something that's actually *effective* in practice -- your slandering aside.

*Of course* I'm basing my judgment on how I feel, because that's the whole *point* with health -- one should feel / get *better* with any chosen treatment / approach.

If you don't like the taste maybe try mixing it into a soft drink or whatever.

I'm not around this area in any kind of *research* capacity, so I have nothing to say about the subject aside from the actual health benefits I've personally experienced.

What health benefits did you experience, what were some of the side effects?


There's a lot of literature pointing out that it's only trace minerals and not enough to make up any type of difference, especially not when other foods exist with these minerals in a combination and quantity that matters to your physiology. Which is why i'm asking if you had done any research into this before drinking salt water on a regular basis, let alone Borax. Is it possible that a placebo effect is taking place and making you feel better, since science demonstrates how it cannot actually be? If that's the case, have you considered switching from salt water and borax to something like berries and then convincing yourself that you feel better as your body actually gets better through processes that you cannot feel to begin with? That last part being kind of crucial.

Have you ever thought about or looked into how there are a lot of these practices that were created as gimmicks to make money either as products or important information releases by gurus who sell products and services, and there was never anything genuine about it to begin with but it's in the interest of con-artists and scammers to flood their channels with it to literally drown out at least some of the disbelief that most people feel when they venture onto one of these things the first few times. i'm not talking about an advertising conspiracy so much as i am a market for complete bullshit. The fitness industry/market is another example of this imo although instead of broscience this is like aging hippy/left activist science, those who lost their minds after being confronted with the reality of how life actually ended up working out, peddling various oddities and personal magicka but as hope, as a positivity, that they're still on the right track! Tbh i'm surprised that you go in this direction towards all that.

Do you see how it's more likely that you're poisoning yourself and experiencing placebo?


I am so fucking stoned right now

Never any side effects -- if one is particularly in need of detoxification, though, there's the possibility of experiencing the 'Herxheimer Effect', which feels symptomatic of a cold / illness, but without any feeling of actually being sick, since you're not. (Coffee is also good for quickly overcoming the onset of any cold, btw.)



No, I can assure you that I've made strides with my health over the past several years, due to my explorations and efforts.

You're anxiety-mongering here, unfortunately.



You're making baseless claims using the name of science -- it's an empty assertion.



You're being simplistically *contrarian*, which is not welcome.



Well, again, this is all from my own personal experience, and that's why I don't hesitate to pass along the info. Regarding *cost*, a standard-sized sea salt product (approx. 1 lb or so) costs about $3-$4 and lasts me about 4-6 months. Borax is usually about $5 for the box, and lasts similarly.

I think you're too caught up in *cultural*-based appraisals, even to the point of *stereotyping*, while you also dismiss the *science* casually, offhandedly, by calling it a placebo effect, without any knowledge or experience of the subject.



You're just returning to your habit of making up bullshit from the position of ignorance and contrariness.



Ride it out -- maybe try some sea salt -- !

Ckaihatsu, maybe don't accuse others of "making up bullshit" when you're going into a thread to discuss magical salt water- specifically, a thread where it doesn't belong.

Hey, BIXX, don't tell me what to do -- you're held in *very* low esteem in my book, and your unending pushy say-so opinionating is absolutely worthless.

I already addressed the 'relevancy' issue. You're being redundant.

No, you're objectively wrong on the relevancy issue. And I don't much care what you think of me- trying to belittle me by saying "I don't like you so I don't care what you have to say" is just a further example of your abusiveness. And given that you have a long history of spamming the forum, being unfamiliar with the rules, and abusing members who disagree with your behavior here shows you to be absolutely inept and inadequate for an admin position.

weed/caffeine but we know why, you're talking about an effect from things that we know doesn't produce any, it's a placebo, it's just trace minerals and a poison, that's the general criticism you haven't addressed, and it's all that i'm asking right now



Maybe you misunderstood. Science allows us to understand how various minerals are absorbed, how we become deficient in them, and methods to correct that. Science allows us to understand how relevant any particular amount of minerals are to our physiology. Because of this, there is information heavily indicating that drinking salt water isn't useful for the reasons being claimed. I was interested in how your understanding of what you do and what you linked to in your post, answers to those criticisms. One of which was, do you think you could be feeling a placebo effect since it isn't possible that you are 'feeling it working' or 'feeling better' for any other reason.


Could you briefly explain with some sort of reference to specific things i've said, how i've been 'simplistically contrarian'. Wouldn't the person who drinks what's basically a poison twice a day and feels better despite the science instead of eating berries or doing something healthier be contrarian

As I stated previously i'm interested in how what you've posted about on several occasions responds to criticisms which can be found doing a cursory keyword search from any search engine. As someone who has 'no experience of the subject' i did a keyword search and it came up with a lot of information in opposition to your claims. In fact, it looks like it's known more as being a gimmick than being an actual thing.



maybe you should just answer to the critical points brought up instead of yelling about how everyone else is inexperienced, ignorant, and 'contrarian' (lol)

My essay (which no one here seems to want to read) actually describes useful methods of creating a forum that makes it easy to filter out posts from people who have little of substance to contribute.

-- Ben Seattle

That is such a daunting stab-in-the-dark that it reveals exactly how far out-on-a-limb you're willing to go to do your chosen twisted attempts at social engineering around here.

Your characterizations are so inaccurate and played-out that it sounds like some cartoonish characature of reality. Your chosen double-standard moralism enables you make profoundly skewed judgments in the political arena, like that of using a faction-type organization and coordination of a harassment campaign of posts.

So, yeah, sorry your cult's not working out right now, but at least you *attended*, right -- ?

Lol, if the majority of the forum (and btw, not just now, but for years) has said it's uninterested in your bullshit, in your mind it must be a conspiratorial faction. Here's the thing: what we are applying here isn't moralism as you imply (you just wanted to use a buzz word to delegitimize me- nice try btw but it is just gonna make you look stupid). It's the fact that your posts don't meet the purpose of this board- it's for revolutionary discussion. You are neither a revolutionary, nor do you help foster discussion. You posted liberal news spam and forced the situation to where regular users had to do all the heavy lifting in regards to reigning in your behavior, and tbh it seems to have worked (mostly) pretty well- but we gotta stay on guard to make sure you don't just start spamming your sharts all over this forum like you used to.

To get some on topic discussion back in here after ckaihatsu so rudely derailed the thread, I did read your thing, and I asked you to prove your claims (which you made a lot of). I'm not so much interested in trying to prove you wrong with that question but I am interested in how you came to the conclusions you did, etc... but seeing as you acted defensively to any interrogation of your stance, you're making it difficult to have a conversation regarding the topic at hand.

I'm saying that a certain position of opining-in-common amongst a few / a subset of RevLeft is empirically an *internal faction*. You're not even willing to call things what they are.

*Your* bullshit takes the fucking cake, and that's why I patiently but eventually started using Admin powers to clamp down on all of your faction's spam, mostly taking the form of simplistically-contrarian, baseless attacks on my use of RevLeft and my political functioning.

Sectarian pot-shots may be *fun* for your ilk but they're ultimately hollow because you don't address real political issues -- you sound exactly like someone from the bleacher seats who carelessly, boorishly heckles anyone at center-stage, and nearby, simply because they *can*.

You had to first consult Wikipedia to learn how to shove your head as far up your ass, as you actually *have* -- but your perseverance obviously *paid off*, as your asshole attitude plainly makes apparent to everyone.



Oh, *no* -- !!!!!!!! My best-laid plans clearly *backfired*! Woe unto me!!!

(Nice dramatization, but no-dice.)



Yeah, okay, I see how this works: Now *I'll* make up some bullshit to pin onto *you*, and we'll both tumble to the ground in fits of laughter, arm-in-arm, while people look on *puzzledly*.

If *anyone* is 'shart-spamming', it's *your faction*. Guess you really like closed threads and personal infractions levied. Maybe *this* time it'll all happen so quickly that Rafiq won't be able to keep up to save your broke-down ass.

Thanks for announcing your intent to break the rules ckaihatsu- I'm glad you're willing to close threads and infract the only people making a attempt to foster discussion just because they take issue with how you act on this board. Also, btw, if you ban me/infract me for personal reasons, you might wanna consider that very quickly it'll have been you who killed the forum. I wonder if edelweiss will be ok with you killing his (admittedly already almost dead) forum.

No, thank *you* for being a clown around here (usually *I* have to do that shitwork) so that people can clearly see what *not* to do around here.



Cute -- so you're showing that you definitely *are* the grand moralizing Great Moral Arbiter around here and the board would have no 'mojo' if it wasn't for your stiff flailing-around like a fish flipped into the boat, flicked off the hook in one smooth motion.



I think your continued, ongoing absence would be well worth it, egomaniac.

The problem here is that I'm not the one violating the rules- you are. I don't particularly care what you claim about me in regards to moralization given that I've demonstrated this isn't morality, this is in the name of being able to foster discussion on a board specifically designed for such. You shutting those efforts down is going against what this forum is.

I also want to point out this part-
This is cringy as fuck chris. Like seriously, wtf.

I don't know exactly how you imagine yourself, but clearly you imagine yourself to be an internet badass because you're an admin of a forum that you've (continued) to play a part in killing. Listen, if infracting people and banning people who disagree with you makes you so happy, go ahead and do it, it's not like anyone on this forum respects you anyway, let alone if they see you (repeatedly) abusing what admin privileges you have. Your refusal to acknowledge that you're disrupting the forum, repeatedly and without regard for others (I wonder if having no regards for other people's desires has gotten you in any shit before chris?) shows clearly that what you want from this place is an echo chamber of people who just wanna sit and read news spam without discussion. Maybe you're disrupting discussion because you know that you can't respond to the arguments brought up by those who oppose your stances?

No, it's definitely *you* -- you had to stop spamming all of those snotty mischaracterizations into every active thread on the board.



I'm *glad* to appropriately shutdown your faction's presumptuous preening, particularly where it comes at my expense.



Like anyone cares about your pomposity and what you think everyone else besides you should be doing. Try switching to drugs so that you can give up getting high and mighty from the inhalation of your own farts.



Accusing me of being some rambunctious, objectified 'character', all so that your stereotype-of-convenience pays off. Nice.



Okay, not obsequious enough for ya, huh? Just remember that not everyone is as yielding as the plastic sex toys you regularly dry-rot with your sadistic impulses and presence.