Do the Charlottesville Nazis deserve violence after the fact?

There isn't really an 'after the fact' because they're still organizing. If some of them are crying about having their 'lives ruined' I'd have to ask which life? Their life as a fascist that they saw for themselves? If some of them didn't know this was real this is a great wake up call for them to fuck off and never ever go back.

This all sounds like a fantasy that has no basis in the reality of what communism is and is more based around being some sort of superhero. And furthermore a lot of the people you reference as people we should respect as "warriors" are real shit and not communist in any way.

I'm probably going to be ostracized from revleft for this, but I don't care. This is something that's been making me sad. I've been on youtube, twitter, and other sites and pretty much laughing at those silly little Nazis crying about how everyone's being mean to them. Sending them hatemail, threatening them and getting them fired and shit. It's pretty much them against the whole country at this point which I think is a very good and healthy thing. But then I started to kinda feel bad about that. We've never had anything like this before in Charlottesville with the doxing and shit, and I'm finding out that I don't really feel at all comfortable with it. Is it just my nature to not like seeing people who are outnumbered being attacked? I would never defend the far-right on the streets - I would kick their little asses no matter how "outnumbered" they were, but for some reason this just feels different to me.

I talked to my partner about this and he agrees but says that "the people have a right to express themselves" in the fallout. He said that I shouldn't feel sorry for them no matter how outnumbered they are and that I should feel sorry the victims. And that they better learn a lesson.

Outnumbered has nothing to do with it, though. Trump is the most hated man on the planet and I don't feel any need to defend his dumb ass. The bourgeoisie is vastly outnumbered, too, and I dream of war on them. It's not that they're outnumbered - Nazis should always be outnumbered. Yet I don't have an explanation for it... I don't know what's wrong with me. Am I turning into Chomsky?

I can honestly say that outside the context of class-struggle, there isn't a single class of person or a single type of person that I hate. I wish that everyone of those deluded boys would've been rounded up in a padded wagon and sent to a reeducation facility. But we don't have that. And if we're being honest...we'll probably never have it. This is liberal rule, and we're going to be under it for the next thousand years and there's nothing that any of us can ever do to stop it.

I just hate that there's so much pain and hate in this world.

Let me guess admins, no ban/sequestering of someone calling for a bizarre genocide based on something he read on 4chan? K. Continue to permit this forum to go into the depths of hell and then complain about why people no longer use it.

than reading some moron have arguments about ecology go over their pea-sized brains.

[I] don't like the sound of "dictatorship" even of the proletariat - which is horribly named IMO.

Really -- ?

I think 'dictatorship of the proletariat' cuts-to-the-chase and succinctly sums-up the idea that there *has* to be working-class *hegemony* over the bourgeoisie. Sure, it's not a *pretty* term, and for some may seem to conflate right-wing 'strongman' politics, with revolutionary-leftist goals, but at least it's technically *accurate* in description since it references a *collective* body, that of the proletariat.

I understand your point and I agree with the Leninist conception of proletarian power absolute - it's just a really shitty name by today's standards because a lot of people don't know what proletariat means, then they hear the word "dictatorship" and think "oh shit, goosestepping commies" and it makes us look kinda bad. Just my opinion - it's something I believe in but not a term I'm apt to use myself unless necessary.

A more-palatable alternative may be 'workers power', or 'workers control over social production'.

Absolutely. If I were giving a public interview, for instance, that's precisely the term I'd like to use.

A lot of terms and slogans have proved problematic for me. In my social life anytime certain words pop up (communism, Marx, etc) I find myself spending more time providing historical context on Stalin, the Holodomor, Pol Pot, Castro, etc and less time talking about the shit matters to common every day people. Other leftists on this site and other places disagree with me, but I do believe that if we're to have a new worker's movement, the terminology and aesthetics will have to be modified because we're already going to have an uphill battle breaking through both the liberal bureaucracy and conservative stronghold on rural America...having to rehabilitate terms that common people have been utterly poisoned against all their lives is an extra challenge that we can honestly do without...at least initially.

imo more interesting than having to form anything at all is the inherent form the merging and separation of bodies and lives is taking in response to not just fascism but against the state, like in phoenix a night or so ago, and boston before that. It's action taken as life in the present, and not separate from it.

I'd say that *the economy* is doing our work *for* us -- just ask anyone why there's so much unemployment, income inequality, and people having to 'scrape by'. Ask them what they think about capitalism as it's operating now, and if they've ever thought about some kind of *alternative* to it....

This site has become a bizarre dumpster fire with users people talking about being "warriors" and others feeling sorry for the nazis:( . This is just what happens when theoretical understanding grounded on thorough historical analysis is discarded and replaced by shit-tier "feelings" and identity politics.

I mean:


Either TomLeftist is a brilliant troll or he might actually be the dumbest pile of shit I've seen alive. Fat people are gross, what are you going to do about it? ;D . Really though, comparing fat people's "plight" to racism? lmao. Again, if you are joking, go on, its more entertaining than reading some moron have arguments about ecology go over their pea-sized brains.

Oh, actually, I just read the 2nd part of that moron's rant.




Let me guess admins, no ban/sequestering of someone calling for a bizarre genocide based on something he read on 4chan? K. Continue to permit this forum to go into the depths of hell and then complain about why people no longer use it.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'action taken as life in the present, and not separate from it'.

I'm probably being dense. Just the same, can you please elaborate?



I find it very encouraging. I would probably guess that if they did a poll right now and the only options were, "Do you like Capitalism, Yes or No", over 50% would say no.

The only problem is that these people think that there are already solution in the works and/or being pushed for in the form of mixed-economical reforms. What they don't know is that because these so-called "solutions" have no LTV basis, fundamental inequality will just morph along accordingly persisting in different forms. And the public ignorance here is a failure on the part of the left.

Is it a failure of the left or is it a success by the spectacular left, liberals and radicals alike?

Or, does it even matter? I mean, look at what's happening in the US at the moment- people are engaging in actions as their new lives, emerging just long enough to provide solidarity and attack against the state and capital, then retreating into their "normal" lives, only to emerge again later to repeat the process of attack. Do we need a program? I don't think so- these people certainly don't. So why should we push ourselves into the same limited capacity, and enjoy our positions as the conscious elements of the communist project and act as the conscious, or as we might call it a vanguard, should- being the one's on the front line of action.

I find it very encouraging. I would probably guess that if they did a poll right now and the only options were, "Do you like Capitalism, Yes or No", over 50% would say no.

The only problem is that these people think that there are already solution in the works and/or being pushed for in the form of mixed-economical reforms. What they don't know is that because these so-called "solutions" have no LTV basis, fundamental inequality will just morph along accordingly persisting in different forms. And the public ignorance here is a failure on the part of the left.

Is it a failure of the left or is it a success by the spectacular left, liberals and radicals alike?

Or, does it even matter? I mean, look at what's happening in the US at the moment- people are engaging in actions as their new lives, emerging just long enough to provide solidarity and attack against the state and capital, then retreating into their "normal" lives, only to emerge again later to repeat the process of attack. Do we need a program? I don't think so- these people certainly don't. So why should we push ourselves into the same limited capacity, and enjoy our positions as the conscious elements of the communist project and act as the conscious, or as we might call it a vanguard, should- being the one's on the front line of action.

TomLeftist is a sockpuppet of a user that's been banned repeatedly over years. I think they went by TrotskyistMarxist and AmilarCarbral . For some reason, they keep coming back with the same act and play ignorant each time. Not even an entertaining or original troll either.