Crypto-fascism within the left

So I guess I'm not the only one, who observed this phenomena. What do you guys think about it, what are the causes?

I believe it's a mix of not understanding how capitalism works/why it's bad and not understanding what marxism actually is. I mean, struct. antisemitism is still a pretty big thing in the left. Capitalism is reduced to it's "players" (capitalists), like in Occupy or other movements and that's wrong. Adolf Hitler did the exact same thing, with his distinction of "schaffendes Kapital" (producing capital, "good capital") and "raffendes Kapital" ("grubbing capital", circulating sphere of capital).The second one was usually referred to as the jewish capital. So such a distinction is inherently anti-semitic.
And then, there are many self-proclaimed marxists, that have many reactionary misconception about homosexuality, nationalism, the patriarchy and so on.
Maybe I'll write more later, but I'd like to hear what you guys think about this.

At first I think that you should do something about your commas :frog:

I'll chime in at some later point, you know my attitude anyway.

Reactionary "Marxists" have always been a problem, but it's not just racist, nationalist or sexists claiming the title that are a problem, but also a bunch of moralists who fit better within the Proudhon-Bakunin milieu than among the ranks of Marx and Engels.

Yeah I was kind of in a hurry while writing the text. I need to watch the next GoT episode. Fucking addiction.

The legacy of national- liberation and the stalinist regimes perhaps?

I think it has more to do with some communists' inability to explain things. Fascism is a very simple ideology that works with peoples' natural urge to explain things in incorrect binaries.

Example. Communists and fascists both oppose zionism. Communists oppose it because it is a racist ideology comparable to manifest destiny and involves ethnic cleansing and imperialism of the bourgeoisie. But fascists just oppose it because Jews. So communists that have a hard time analyzing the world in regards to class struggle just get burned out. They still want to have some kind of "extreme" belief but one that is easier for their poor little brain to handle. So they turn to fascism where they can blame Jews, black people, Muslims, or anyone they want for the actions of the bourgeoisie.

The fact that historical anti-semite forces have used the distinction between productive and financial, parasitic capital doesn't and cannot show that the distinction is inherently anti-semitic.

More than anything I'd say that self styled Marxists and radicals harping on about it are really crypto-socialdemocrats. Anyway, this is my experience, that this is the thing in born again social democracy circles, and not having anything to do with fascism or anti-semitism. Of course, that doesn't mean that anti-semites don't use the distinction as a codeword for...yeah, Jews.

What was moralistic about Proudhon or Bakunin?

There is definitely a strong social conservative streak within the Tankie and anti-revisionist community. Mostly they don't care about a liberated society as much as they care about being against the status quo, and aren't brave enough to be actual fascists.

What wasn't moralistic about them? Both were reactionary idealists that believed Authoritarianism was rooted in our DNA and needed to be combated against with decentralized confederated little communes. They both believed it was ideas that gave rise to social relations instead of the other way around. Materialists understand that what Anarchists call "Authoritarianism" is just a product of Capitalism and will disappear with the arrival of Communism. Oh and in case you haven't heard, both hated the Jews because Jewish people worked in "bad Capitalist" professions while non-Jews worked "good/productive" Capitalist jobs, prefiguring the Nazi and Fascist obsession with separating Jewish from Aryan Capitalism. To Proudhon and Bakunin Capitalism was "unjust" and their Anarchism would bring about "justice", us Marxists don't give 2 shits about "Justice" or any other Liberal abstractions, we fight for our class interests full stop.

Bakunins anti-semitism was mostly personal animosity with Marx, but proudhon did have some very questionable things to say on the subject (though very common ideas in his time)
The rest of your rant is beyond silly sectarian sloganeering...

All of what I wrote could be fact checked and verified in the lit. on the subject. And Bakunin wrote "This whole Jewish world which constitutes a single exploiting sect, a sort of bloodsucker people, a collective parasite, voracious" which seems to go beyond a little person conflict with Marx wouldn't you say?

Bakunin was an anti-Semite.

Anti-Semitism was incredibly common among political philosophers during that time period, though, even ones who came from a Jewish background.

So that makes it OK? Racism is "common" among a shit ton of white people today too, so is sexism and LGBTQ phobia, should we not criticize them for it?

"The Jewish nigger Lassalle, who fortunately leaves at the end of this week, has happily again lost 5,000 Thaler in a fraudulent speculation. The fellow would rather throw money in the dirt than make a loan to a 'friend' even if interest and capital are guaranteed. He acts on the view that he must live like a Jewish baron or baronised (probably via the Countess) Jew." (Letter dated July 30, 1862; Vol. 3, Marx-Engels Correspondence, German edition, page 82.)


^ Marx


....you were saying?

Marx was a cis gendered, hetero white male so it goes without saying he had prejudices of all sorts, but his seemingly racist remarks aren't even in the same league as Bakunin's and Proudhon's, they advocated the extermination of entire races and believed POCs and Jews were genetically inferior to non-Jewish whites, Marx never said anything even close to that.

lol

You've got to be a parody.

uhu. So there is classification of racism? And some racism isn't really that bad?

“Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other gods exist. Money degrades all the gods of man — and turns them into commodities. Money is the self-established value of all things. It has, therefore, robbed the whole world — both the world of men and nature. The god of the Jews has become secularised and has become the god of the world. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusionary bill of exchange”.

^ also Marx

"So that makes it OK?"
-- QueerVanguard

Are you people seriously doing the "your racist ideologue is more bigoted that my racist ideologue" bit?