Religion in the New Society

Greetings comrades.

What do you think we should do with religious people in the new society and should we ban religion?

I think organised religion should be banned and religion only be allowed to be practiced at home. All religious property will be seized put to good use while all religious leaders will have to be dealt with in some way (I just don't no how yet, hospitals, prions, etc?). Religion would be legal in the home as long as you don't promote it to your family members (or anyone for that matter). All children will learn about atheism and secular humanism at school and will be tasked with converting their parents if they are religious. There will be atheistic and secular humanistic propaganda everywhere and religion will be demonised in the media.

So please share you thoughts and beliefs on these three questions I have given you.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Marshal of the People

Greetings comrades.

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[FONT=Times New Roman]Indeed organized religion should be banned, but personal religion like my practice of Wiccan Paganism should be perfectly fine because that’s my own damn business haha. Same with other people having whatever religion or lack of religion they want, it’s your life so it’s your choice, not mine, not some states, not someone else’s, but your own choice. What is to be done with religious leaders would be up to the commune, collective, community, et cetera to decide. I’m sure some leaders will cease being leaders while others will need to be dealt with immediately in some fashion. Definitely children shouldn’t be educated on religion, it should be their choice though if they find interest in the religion to explore the religion. I don’t think demonizing religion would work too well, but definitely people should be educated of the vast negative things religion causes. [/FONT]

Who needs religion when you have secular humanism?

Secular humanism is good :) but I'm fascinated with Wicca, I've been studying it for a couple years. I wouldn't actually call it a religion though as I did in my above post. But definitely some consider it a religion. No one needs religion at all haha.

Even though I profess no religious beliefs (for reasons of parsimony and lack of proof), I think that those who have faith in supernatural entities or systems that do not expressly contradict the goal of proletarian liberation don't have to be addressed much at all. Furthermore, if the largely religious proletariat truly has the means of production, there won't be anyone to enforce anti-theism onto them anyway.

That is, unless the vast majority of the working class are held to be reactionaries or counter-revolutionaries because of their faiths, which suggests to me a possible avenue of instating a hierarchy of the irreligious over the religious.

What if the working class unanimously rejects this? What would the response be?

Yeah your right. If you like it and it isn't harmful to other people or society like certain religions you should be free to practice it.

A war against religion could have consequences opposite to what you want. Just keep that in mind.

I don't think it's a big problem if people hold onto their religious beliefs, but we shouldn't pretend like all religious institutions are compatible with workers' emancipation. Some institutions will need to be dismantled. Some policies will need to be ended, and some practices will need to be forbidden.

I don't think there's a definitive answer absent of historical context.

In Brazil about 1.5% of the population is atheist. Assuming half of them will be communists it means 0.75% of the population, atheistic communists, will rule over the religious majority. I cannot imagine how one would enforce a ban on organised religion without a state.

Organised religion will diminish of its own accord because extensive social welfare will liberate people from the dependency on organised religion (generally accepted to have caused secularisation in Western Europe from the 1960s onward) and the social function of organised religion (collective identity and community) having become obsolete as a result of a participatory community and the elimination of alienation.

How are you defining organised religion? Also, don't you think restricting religious practice to the home is not only pointless but harsh as fuck? Come on, if a group of people want to pray to some imaginary creature together in a park what's the problem? Is it not also their park?


Unless i'm mistaken what you want is basically no way for religious people to communicate their religiosity to others. What's the fucking point? The problems with religion are to do with the social conditions in which they have arisen and in which they exist but you're already supposing a new society, why repress people purely because they're not perfect little materialists?

Organised religion is inherently oppressive and authoritarian and will have to be destroyed for communism to work.

Praying to any god is just like preying to a dictator (the only difference being that dictators exist) they don't really care about you and are evil, sadistic power mad and authoritarian and some like the Abrahamic god are fascist!

I think I should be allowed to practice my religion without harassment. It's my private business. As it should be.

I think we should still emphasize freedom of religion, and we should encourage religions like Islam that are heavily anti-science in the modern era to become more open to science. Religion of course is very harmful, but if we can modify religion to be more moderate, and to focus more on humility and not being judgmental, I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's when religion oppresses people that it becomes a problem.

Or they're a loving champion of Mankind. The very way people conceive of the divine is determined by the social conditions of the time.

I highly doubt the working class would unanimously reject this, what're you getting at exactly?

Try to modify a religion like islam or christianity and it won't end pretty!

The jewish, christian and muslim god certainly isn't a loving champion of mankind, quite the opposite actually!

Neither Islam nor Christianity are monolithic. There's huge variation

Try telling that to the christians and muslims who think the earth is 6000 years old.