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And of course, if they were not forced, it wasn't imposed.
But apparently some of them might actually have been forced:
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We took it every three months. We said we didn't want to.
And some of them were told that entry to Israel would be denied if they didn't take the injection. IMO it's not much of a choice, take the injection or we'll send you back.
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So, what she says is that some Israeli officials sought to give Ethiopians such impression. But, of course, some Israeli officials are not the same as the Israeli State.
But who told them to give that impression? Why are they even in possession of Depo-Provera? Did they simply decide on their own, as a consequence of the general racism in Israel, to carry around vials of Depo-Provera in their pockets just in case they might stumble upon black people in their day to day lives?
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And would such threats be enforceable within Israeli law and official policy?
This is an obvious case of racism and discrimination, but the agent of such crime is not the State of Israel; instead, it is misaplication of policy by individual officers (or perhaps by some shadowy organisation of officers, a conspiracy to committ a crime).
Shadowy conspiracy of officials? Come on. Obviously they acted on policy in which case some arm of the state is to blame.
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And rightly so. And the practice was, what? continued, or interrupted?
My point was that the fact that the rights organization called for an immediate stop to the practice shows that it is indeed a legitimate issue, and not just an urban legend spun out of control.
Of course it was interrupted, but only when the practice was brought to the attention of the public. This does not mean the state was not aware of the practice beforehand.
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Yes, and despicable practice =/= genocide - not at least in my dictionary.
The attempt to compare this with Hitler's mass extermination of Jews (and others) is ridiculous.
Sure it might not be as bad as the holocaust, but that doesn't detract from how outrageous and despicable the practice is. It seems to me that this was a policy deliberately created in order to limit the birth rate in the Ethiopian community in Israel. From the article:
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Observers note that the ministry's response side-stepped the allegation raised that the authorities were targeting Ethiopian women. The response did not say whether there were explicit policy guidelines underlying prescription of the drug or for how long government-funded health facilities have administered the drug to African women of Ethiopian origin. The response also gave no hint about how many women of Ethiopian origin were involved. The allegation that the Israeli authorities were targeting Ethiopian women for prescription of the drug Depo-Provera was first reported five years ago. The National reports that in 2009, Eyal supervised a study that showed that 57 percent of Depo-Provera users in Israel were Ethiopian, although their community was less than 2 per cent of the population.
There have been reports of a shocking decline in the birth-rate in the Ethiopian community in Israel. I see no reason to downplay this.
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I have no doubt she is a right winger.
Indeed this a big part of the problem; when the left lies or unintentionally spreads bullshit, the right can appear as valiant upholders of truth.
Of course, my point is just that we should acknowledge she is a right winger trying to downplay the issue, ignore her agenda and remember to look at the facts.
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Well?
Are you saying they should be denied contraceptives, or only allowed access to those they would be unable to use?
No, are you actually trying to defend the practice?
I'm saying they should be offered the same contraceptives as every other Israeli citizen, not have Depo-Provera shoved down their throats. There are side effects to Depo-Provera and they should be informed of these side effects and offered alternatives.
It is entirely likely they were pressured to take Depo-Provera instead of other contraceptives because the officials knew it would last longer and they would be sure of compliance (in contrast to the pill).
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Ah, yes; Israel is a very racist State, no doubt. But, regarding Ethiopian Jews, such racism is way more apparent in the way they deliberately sought to bring African Jews into Israel, while at the same time denying immigration to African goyim. Which apparently is what they do to people of all colours - if they are Jewish, they can everything; if not, they should leave Israel, or, better even, not go there for starters.
I don't think you can dismiss racism in Israel towards Ethiopian Jews, just because they're Jews. While they probably consider African goyim worth even less, this practice is evidence that they do in fact discriminate against black people even if they're Jews.
Maybe the operations you mentioned were done for PR reasons. "Let's save some black Jews, will look good on Israel's resumé. Just don't bring too many of them here. Oh, and also, black people multiply like rabbits, we need to make sure we offer them contraceptives or they might get out of control!"