Friends Stand United

Subcultures overlap quite a bit, and it's not all too uncommon for folks to end up in bed with some people they would have been ready to beat the shit out of a few years before. If you browse Shitfront and other facist websites sometime, you will hear of many people who were aligned with the left in their early adulthood going over to fash later in life, and vice versa.

Interesting thread. Are there are reliable internet sites about this group? Id like to learn a bit more about them

Not really. Cause its not really a "group" one can just "join".

Yea, I would agree that not all FSU are neccessarily violent. This reminds of an incident that happened yesterday. I've worn my black Doc Martens with red laces for two years now and haven't had anyone talk about them in those two years. Well this asshole who was in the military during Kuwait or something came up to me and started *****ing about my laces. He was telling me how it meant I had "shed blood" for the white race, haha. Funny thing is, I'm not even white! :laugh:

maybe group was the wrong word but Im not looking to join them, Im from ireland and live in england mate, hardly close to boston

I mean, its a crew all over the US, I wouldn't be surprised if there are chapters in Europe, but there are probably just crews over there that are friends with FSU in the states.

There's not really a website because its just a group of people, the dynamics change from place to place, and they don't engage in any sort of organized activity.

For lack of a better term, they are a "gang", but they don't do gang shit like sell drugs, prostitution or shit like that. The closest thing I could compare it to would be a football firm, but in the hardcore punk subculture, not the terrace culture.

That makes sense mate, cheers

I don't know anyone in FSU, but I know kids in other crews here in NY and in CT. Hardcore crews tend to just be groups of friends active within the same local scene who often share a penchant for violence as has been unfortunately common throughout the history of punk in general. They aren't necessarily predicated on violence or intimidation, but it's still a pretty common characteristic of them.


And most edge people I know aren't particularly violent.

Most straightedge people are exactly like most other people into (real) punk/hardcore except they don't drink or do drugs.
And as in any other groups, there are different tendencies, trends, local particularities, idiots, smart people, etc... Of course the media wouldn't want to do a documentary on ordinary straightedgers when they can do one on the violent/lunatic end of it. Not passing judgement on the FSU though, I'm just commenting on how the media works.
Same goes for skinheads. For years all you saw on TV was the nazis, even though the majority of skinheads in America at least was non racist.

Same goes for documentaries on "communism". Expect stuff on gulags and Pol Pot, not on the "real movement to abolish the present state of things" or the "self emancipation of the working class". Leftists should be the first to be skeptical of the news and to avoid generalizations.

No, when I went to see Agnostic Front there were people drinking beer and the kids in FSU shirts didn't do anything.

they do a lot of shitty posturing ("Brass City FSU" on shirts) and are generally a tough guy oriented gang which honestly is basically reflective of the hardcore scene but they're not actually out to get you.

I've been Edge since I was 15, and I have major respect for FSU's beginings trying to kick Nazi Boneheads out from the Boston Hardcore scene. But I don't really agree with the things the hardline members do. It gives the rest of us a bad name.

They traded guns for dogs that were used in dog fights (Similar to the Arms for Hostages deal the government often does) and give the dogs to animal shelters. What other "Gang" does that?

Also you seems to be (Perhaps purposely) forgetting the good they've done. They beat up drug dealers and take their money to give to charities, like La Comédie Noire said they established a scholarship fund and raise money for charities and hold anti-drug and violence seminars.

The bad should not overshadow the good they've done, but in fairness the good shouldn't overshadow the bad either.

Also, as cmoney has and just about everyone else who've researched FSU for more then 5 minutes can tell you, not all of them are Edge and there are a good amount of posers beating people up in the name of FSU. I've never met anyone from FSU, but I can say that half the shit I see spoken about them is largely due to ignorance or just going along with stereotypes.

Why is it that every time there is a new episode of Gangland all of the sudden shit like this is a hot topic and everyone is an expert?

1) Because people like to have a high opinion of themselves

2) Because occasionally the History Channel does something right.

My big gripe is that Gangland does a superficial job to say the least, therefore not the basis for a thread. Yes no one mentioned Gangland but we were all thinking it. Is this journalism or a dwarfed version of a sensationalist documentary? And the fact that so many people run with it as gospel truth and try to to pawn this off as their intimate knowledge of the gang de jour is what kills me. Kills me!