Free Speech

I have noticed that often people in this forum reffer to free speech in a negative light, why exactly is this? ......Mark!

The question is somewhat vague. Can you give examples of individuals who are attacking free speech, or what context or situation free speech is being attacked?

I don't know if this is what you mean but, I think it might be something like free speech is a bad thing when it allows dirty nazis and racists to express themselves and push their hate agenda when they all should be wiped from the earth. But that's just a guess.

sory cant give n e examples, i think Marxist in Nebraska is on the right idea

are you referring to how people here believe that religion and opposing political ideas should be supressed?

"Freedom" is a grand word, but under the banner of freedom for industry the most predatory wars were waged, under the banner of freedom of labour, the working people were robbed. The modern use of the term "freedom of criticism" contains the same inherent falsehood. Those who are really convinced that they have made progress in science would not demand freedom for the new views to continue side by side with the old, but the substitution of the new views for the old. - V.I. Lenin

Yes, I think you are talking about suppressing free speech in terms of many member's view that bourgeois and reactionary ideas must be destroyed for society to progress.

in a communist society

racist speech will not be tolrelated
anti-sematic speech will not be tolrelated
misogynic speech will not be tolrelated
homophobic speech will not be tolrelated

EDIT- added homophobia

I say let people say what they want,because personally I don't give a rats *** what they say.If I'm ruler of a country ,lets say I'm not popular with the people and they say stuff about me and all that crap,still I don't care.Whether you like it or not I'm staying.If you don't like me,I don't care if you like me I still don't care.Give the people free speech and let em' lay that heavy weight off their shoulder.

If it's a cult that broadcasts messages of this and that,and people get drawn into their cult is it my fault that I gave them free speech,no it's their fault for being stupid enough to believe the cults garbage.Therefore there maybe some strings attached to every idea,but that's life.Just like when we walk we waste energy,to make paper we have to chop down trees,etc.I'm afraid to say that,that's just the vicious cycle of faith.

so you dont care if people make racist speech?

I 've already given you that answer and yes I do care that people do make racist speeches,but that's the price we pay for free speech.There are always strings attached to everything we do.

Anti-semitism is racism.

I would also not tolerate any bourgeois and reactionary ideas in a socialist society.

Man...think of it like this, we dont want to hear the nazis talking about their political views....Alot of people dont want us leftists talking about ours. So we have to let the nazis talk, because they're letting us. They have a right to say what ever they want...as we do too.

under communism Nazis will not have the right to free speech nor will anyone else making hateful speech. Is that so hard to comprehend?

I agree with Chairman Mao. Bourgeois/capitalist ideas need to be oppressed. It is that simple. And don't fool yourself. The reactionaries are doing the same thing with us right now. In any so - called 'third world' country communist ideas are oppressed. It is either them or us.

First this, and then Liberal Socialism/Anarchism will be banned, Mao, we need to draw the line somewhere, so freaks like you cant wind up supressing every other view besides ur glorious Maoism.

Nazi pukes will say what they want, well just guard they ass and make sure they dont do anything, also, we can let the majority of ppl(because we dont brainwash, therefore, they think for themselves to beat up the Nazis, I dont fancy many Fascists will be around once the wind goes our side!

IF counterrevolutionaries openly plot to overthrow socialsm or destroy free speech, then that MUST be supressed, basically the same thing goes for "democratic"(Fascist) countreis now, i.e. Communism is banned and made criminal-like.

So only radical counter revolutonaries should be stopped, there is the line, no crossing it, or it will be treason on the part of the accuser, that would work, id fancy.

We would certainly allow critics to tear down our system with words, thats what would make us stronger, instead of cappie ads on billboards, politics of all sides can post what they think, and the ppl can make up their own minds, lets completley disregard ourselves, and think only of the ppl, because our hope for success in democracy, lies in them

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wait....so in a communist country you speak ill of it and you get shot?

sounds a little to me like fascism, why not just throw in a book burning and extermination of capitalists too?

How could you consider yourself anybetter than the fascists if you supress the feelings of the people under your rule? I say if they have a problem....leave the country, or speak with officials and try and make a compramize. how intelligent do you look when someone says somthing you dont agree with and instead of explain why your right, you just fucking kill them or take away their rights! Everyone has a right to say what ever they feel! Even Nazis are allowed to say what they feel! You cant just let eveyone one else be able to speak and not the national socialists...i thought eveyone had equal rights in a communistic country?!?!?!?!

you dont eliminate any question of your power....now thats fucked up.

I agree with Commieboy, but would like to add this. Consider this analogy put forth to Malcom X by Elijah Muhammed when giving Malcom the position of National Minister. (Keep in mind I'm paraphrasing here.)

Muhammed dumped a bottle of ink into a glass water and in so doing said this, "Here is a glass of filthy water. Present this and only this to the people and they will drink it, if they're thirsty." He then poured another glass of water, this time without the ink. "Now, show them this and let the people make their own decision. They will naturally choose the clean water."

The point is, when presented with two dichotomal ideologies, the people will naturally choose the one which is more pure. One that is free of emotional appeals and fallacious reasoning. In other words, the best way to fight errant ideologies is through the presentation of an alternative which is logically sound and benefits the largest amount of people.

surely there are moral codes which will reamin fairly constant, so people who are breaking these can be quietened. rasicm, homophobia etc will always be veiwed as wrong.
i dont like censorship of ideas, but somethings are hurtful, and a vast majority will agree these are wrong.

its not fascist or authoritorian to supress the speech of racists, homophobes, misogynics and fascists. that kind of speech NO ONE has the "right" to express.

well said