it was for the lulz
Beck was saying that Obama is a front group for the ISO. Ok, not in those words but basically he was "connecting the dots" about how radical groups are running the country and he said: "Here's a good example the International... Socialist Organization" and then read from our group's points of unity about how we support workers organized for a revolution from below (he really emphasized that line like he was mad that we didn't want socialism from above) and reforms wouldn't ultimately cut it but that there needs to be a new system yadda-yadda. Wait, just watch it for yourself - it's bizarre and wierd... and long overdue. I think if beck is going to attack Van Jones and all sorts of other non-socialists, he should at least give real radical socialists and all of our groups some airtime too! http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiw...send-glenn-bec
You're my favorite Trotskyist.
Hello there comrade, sorry for my late response. I was offline for a few days. Yes, I grew up in Yugoslavia and it was really good. Actually, I just wrote something regarding the topic, you may find it here: http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.p...5&postcount=26
That doesn't necessarily change our fundamental tasks.
The local trotskyists were lined up and thrown into prison pretty much directly after tito consolidated power, for one thing. see there's a difference between apprasing progressive aspects of a regime, of which both Yugoslavia and Cuba cetainly had and have and lasping into what I would call political wishful thinking.
What is a political revolution? It is when, most importantly, the working class and the poor act to realize full worker's democracy, but this also means part of the state bureacracy might break-off and join the revolution as well. I think it's fair to say that there is a very existing CPC bureacracy and that the local committees that presently exist are far from becoming genuine isntitutions of worker's democracy yet, although they might play that role in the future. Oh and I'm in sweden. I don't think we should overstate the role of elections. Even if we have to get behind a fairly limited program (as is the case in some isntances where we work inside other parties) the point is to try and put forward our own program. Backing the local green candidate isn't necessarily a misstep, if we can get something more out of the campaign. How do you mean liquidated?
Well, in every post WW2 revolution, the chinese, yugoslav etc the permanent revolution has been validated but not in it's clear from. The chinese revolution too hit a wall and had to move on to nationalizations etc, but it's still qualititavely different from establishing a genuine woker's state. I think looking at the post-revolutionary cuba very much mirrors that as well, with a bureaucratic caste as well, and a purge of leftwing oppositionals. The repression seem to have loosened slightly in later years, but a deformed worker's state tend to be contradictory. The 4th international back in the day went so far as proclaim Tito an "unconscious Trotskyist", I think that's an easy mistake to make, and not uncommon in the trotskyist movement (look at some groups views on Chavez for example).
I live in a country where the greens are in parliament, so you don't need to tell me the limits of green politics. What I gather from the U.S (which in many ways also is in a wildly different situation than sweden) the green party seem to vary quite a bit from state to state, but I wouldn't call occasionally endorsing green candidates with labour backing to be "working through" the greens. In the end I think you had better ought to talk this through with the comrades on the ground rather. And I still don't get Socialist Actions view on Cuba.
But why wouldn't it be a deformed worker's state? Why should that be a principle and to what end? Sometimes you have to work with what you have in order to get to where you want.
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