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  1. Grenzer
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    Started a discussion on the Economic Problems of the USSR. It's a short text, but I'm going to be VERY busy this week so I'll only be able to analyze it in small portions at a time.
  2. Grenzer
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    One thing that I find interesting about the tragedy of Lenin is that on some level, he was aware that things had gone horribly, horribly wrong.
  3. Grenzer
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    I agree. Although most self described Marxist-Leninists today say that everything other than Lenin and Stalin wasn't Marxism-Leninism, it's obvious to the rest of us that every regime which has described itself Marxist-Leninist was, in fact, Marxist-Leninist. As an example, although outwardly the style of governance under Krushchev changed superficially, the substance remained the same. The intellectual foundation of Stalinism, if such a thing exists, is the substitution of material analysis with idealism. From this viewpoint, it seems that all the communist countries; DDR, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, PRC, etc. followed the example set down by Lenin and Stalin. The dissolution of all these states into liberal capitalism is just the logical conclusion of Stalinism.
  4. Grenzer
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    It's also worth saying that when you look closely, it really does seem like Lenin supported the concept behind socialism in one country. The only alternative is that he would have proposed the Bolsheviks leaving power and start building up for revolution again, which he would have done before his death if that were truly the case.
  5. Grenzer
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    Yes there is something about that.. Ismail provided me a compilation of texts by Lenin regarding "On State Capitalism during the transition to Socialism" Lenin states that the workers will learn how to manage industry and society by working alongside the capitalists. I should find the specific part. Lenin seemed to think that in State Capitalism, there were only petit-bourgeois, rather than normal bourgeois. The logic was that when they had developed enough they could just transition to socialism, since in their view, what they currently had was the dictatorship of the proletariat, but under a capitalist system. As you are aware, there are numerous problems with this idea..
  6. Grenzer
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    I'll try to brush up on my reading and see if we can get some interesting discussions going in the anti-stalinists group. Perhaps we should expand our horizons to the Bolshevism, Leninism, and the Russian Revolution in general though? To seem degree they seem to be an inseparable aspect of Stalinism..
  7. Zukunftsmusik
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    haha, I'll keep that in mind, thank you
  8. Zukunftsmusik
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    Wow, thanks!

    I'm not sure if I have a "pretty good handle on marxism" but I guess I got the basics somewhat right. I just try to learn (and I sure take my time on that) and keep an open mind (about different tendencies and theories). I usually find your posts very useful.
  9. Zukunftsmusik
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    seriously*
  10. Zukunftsmusik
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    I'm not sure how serious people take internet friendships, but I must say I'm kinda flattered that someone as reasonable as you want to be friends with someone as unreasonable, incoherent and not-so-well-read as me. Accepted
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The specific economic form, in which unpaid surplus-labour is pumped out of direct producers, determines the relationship of rulers and ruled, as it grows directly out of production itself and, in turn, reacts upon it as a determining element. Upon this, however, is founded the entire formation of the economic community which grows up out of the production relations themselves, thereby simultaneously its specific political form. It is always the direct relationship of the owners of the conditions of production to the direct producers — a relation always naturally corresponding to a definite stage in the development of the methods of labour and thereby its social productivity — which reveals the innermost secret, the hidden basis of the entire social structure and with it the political form of the relation of sovereignty and dependence, in short, the corresponding specific form of the state. This does not prevent the same economic basis — the same from the standpoint of its main conditions — due to innumerable different empirical circumstances, natural environment, racial relations, external historical influences, etc. from showing infinite variations and gradations in appearance, which can be ascertained only by analysis of the empirically given circumstances.

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