It was not a revolution because the people did not overthrow the state, the state was overthrown by an anarchist army, but the place where it happened was mainly rural, so it was not necessary for a popular revolution to occur so that it would turn anarchist, all it took was liberating that area. The Ukraine should not serve as an example of anarchist revolution, but it was an anarchist area.
So you turned away from libertarianism because of fear. What you should fear is what the state becomes after you give it power. What you should fear is not going far enough, if we abolish private property but keep the state, we are not going far enough and the revolution will fail, just like it did everywhere it was atempted (with a state). The same happens if we abolish state but leave private property, it will either result in chaos or we will end up being opressed by one big corporation which bought all others. Would you rather live opressed, or die free.
Some people have doubts about anarchism because they beleive that without a state a revolution cannot triumph. There has only been 1 real anarchist revolution (in Spain 1936), what happened in the Ukraine was not a revolution. In Spain the people managed to organize themselves to colectivise everything, this was coordenated by a syndicate which had information about every colectivised peice of property (like lands, factories and shops). The only thing that failed in the revolution was the civil war in which the fascists were bigger in numbers and had access to better armament (like german airplanes). Once someone told me that an army without a state was nothing compared to an army with a state, this is false, if you search the Anarchist Black Army of Ukraine you will see that they resisted for 3 years to many armies, finnaly being defeated by the red army (who had bigger numbers)
I was re-reading Arguments for Socialism by Paul Cockshott and David Zachriah. In it the authors calls for a centrally planed economy. I believe a centrally planned economy will not lead to communism no matter the intentions of the planners. Also, I lost the fear of capitalist take-over of the communes, which led me to let go of my attachment to the state and the supposed security benefits it would bring. I have always known that no matter how benevolent an authoritarian system is, it will always collapse after its leaders die. I want people to be the rulers of their lives and adjust their lives to suit their conditions. People must be given the ability to learn, adapt and change according to their environment. In an authoritarian system an institution or leader will prevent the people from adapting to their conditions and the system will collapse.
BTW anarchists don't have vanguard parties, we have syndicates! Since anarchism advocates that the state is harmfull having a political party goes against anarchist theory, but a syndicate does not.
How did you manage to go from authoritarian to libertarian so quickly, was it some thing I said?
anarcho-communist who wasn't very anti-authoritarian, I didn't see a vanguard party as too bad. Now I see that people can be given the power. The state is unnecessary.
Switched back? You mean you used to be anti-authoritarian, then you learned left-comunism, and then you were convinced that authoritarianism is not a good measure after all. If so good! What tendency do you support?
I don't believe that a state will keep itself in power in a communist environment. You do have justified fears of the state, and I have justified fears of capitalism. I see the state as a necessary way to counter-act capitalism. Without a state I fear the end of communism at the hands of the capitalist states. after the capitalist are gone, no more state. I see non-direct democracy as an illusion hiding the authoritarian nature of the state, might as well be honest with the people, and have a more efficient government. I believe in a socialist state, with the army, police and other intelligence/security apparatuses in the hands of the proletariat. That way the state will be at the mercy of the people.
What is it that makes you believe that authoritarianism is necessary?
I don't need a Vanguard.
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