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Thanks, I got most of the ideas for my critique from reading your material along with Lenin and Kautsky. From my experience, those who don't want to deal with the historical baggage of Stalin(Marxism-Leninism) or the flaws of Trotsky tend to gravitate towards that, but it has some serious flaws of its own. Bordiga had a strange aversion for using any legal avenues of struggle simply because it was legal. This, along with other things, puts Bordigism firmly in the economist category.. not that it really matters because Bordigism doesn't really exist as a viable political current.

Okay, i agree with every single thing Paul and you have said, it makes sense and fits with my basic interpretations. Are you in a particular, do people like you, Paul and me have a tendency (besides true anti-revisionism)?

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Holy Hell!!! Where do i sign up? This is exactly my position on everything... I can't believe it... In the "Abolishing money thread" i basically wrote a similar thing that one will have to first (obviously) take power and gain workers control over the banks and currency, and then to transition into labor vouchers and planned economy. Wow...

what do you mean by "stake holder", are you implying that one would definitely need foreign capital investing in the socialist economy? How much power would they have then would be decided by contract then eh?

Well, then, Let's Do It!

I don't quite fully understand. I of course have no illusions that every working person will want to take part and we can build the world how we like it then and there, but do you not think that all workers should be integrated into the basic management of their surplus (a monthly or so discussion of workers of one enterprise with planners about what to do next, integrating workers to become the ruling class), even if, like you say, there is a political need to send party autocrats?

Okay, i will try to ask. "Spontaneist ad hoc-isms be damned." You mean it ends up in chaos? I know it is said that it takes around a year to two years for two average enterprises to merge together in capitalism, is this where you are going?

Can you tell me more about why and when we can get rid of markets? I am very interested in this discussion, (although i don't think it is of such massive importance as making workers the ruling class) i also joined the group.

What bothers you about spontaneous ad-hoc-ism? I don't really know what you mean by this.

So this model would be possible with any kind of distribution system i think. Do you think getting rid of markets in one country ends up with international-interrelation economic problems or why do you want to use markets for distribution? I am some what of an anti-revisionist (just in the anti-anti-social way... not the violence association) so this would interest me.