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  1. G4b3n
    Why thank you
  2. Sinister Intents
    I like you
  3. G4b3n
    Well it certainly was the conversation I was looking to engage in. Look forward to seeing if you have more to say in the subject.
  4. Sinister Intents
    I could've worded my reply better, I gotta go bed though, so I'll fix my maltyped stuffs and reply soon if I remember
  5. Sea
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    (I really just came here to compliment your hilarious icon)
  6. Sea
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    In that he also states his favorite occupation is "Glancing at Netchen" - his cousin. If you use that source to call Marx sexist, you should be obliged to call him incestuous as well.

    Or we could acknowledge that all such 'confessions' were tongue-in-cheek and not meant to be taken literally. From the page you linked:

    ""Confessions” were semi-jocular questionaires that were very popular in Victorian England, and filling them out a common passtime in many families, including Marx's, where friends and relatives particpated. A number of versions of Confessions belonging to Marx have been preserved."
  7. G4b3n
    So he can make Sexist remarks and not be a sexist?
    And don't give me that "man of his time" bullshit, because the same could be said for anyone.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...1865/04/01.htm
  8. Ismail
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    Except Marx was neither a racist nor a sexist, and in fact opposed racism and sexism. Cleaver meanwhile switched from viewing rape as a revolutionary tactic to becoming a member of the Republican Party.
  9. G4b3n
    There was a point in Cleaver's life at which he found the rape of white women justified on some sort of "insurrectionary" grounds. It is very important to make clear that these ideas were not and could never have been justified. The black power movement as a whole could also be criticized for actively arguing that it take more importance over women's liberation. The extent to which this was harmful and the details are debatable, but the criticism is valid. Does that mean the whole back power movement ought to be ignored?

    If you are going to dismiss all of Cleaver's political ideas and action on the grounds that he contributed to oppression and acted as an oppressor at various points in his life then you must also dismiss these thinkers as well:

    Marx for being a racist as well as a sexist
    Proudhon for being a sexist
    Bakunin for and racism and violent anti-semiticism

    And I have a feeling you hold some of these thinker's political ideas to be valid, if only just a few.
  10. Tim Cornelis
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    Do you think it's appropriate to have a rape advocate's citation in your signature?
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"The people have proved that they can run it... They (the pigs) can call it what they want to, they can talk about it. They can call it communism, and think that that's gonna scare somebody, but it ain't gonna scare nobody" ― Fred Hampton

“Mao Zedong said that power grows from the barrel of a gun. He never said that power was a gun. This is why I don't need no gun to do my thing. What I need is some freedom and the power to determine my destiny” ― Huey P. Newton

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