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  1. Blake's Baby
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    Hi, don't know why I hadn't seen this message until now.

    I watched Reds many years ago. Haven't thought about it much recently. I should probably watch it again before I comment.
  2. Dr Doom
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    yeah i actually missed that when it was televised a few years ago. definitley interesting stuff. The ira's role in the downfall of the limerick and Munster soviets speaks volumes.
  3. Blake's Baby
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    Oooh, jeez. Can of worms much?

    I'll send you an email. This probably isn't the place.
  4. Blake's Baby
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    If you press certain members (eg Dave B, who posts here an on LibCom), they think the SPGB was wrong in 1904, but right now (which is fine, the conditions may have matured between 1904 and 2014 - it's a perfectly reasonable position even though it's wrong). But if, as SPGBers seem to insist, consciousness comes from socialists not the working class's own struggle, then the foundation of the party is just a matter of intellectuals deciding, not a product of a high-point of class struggle. So it doesn't matter if the party is founded before the conditions for it exist. It's just some theory after all, no connection to class struggle.
  5. Blake's Baby
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    I think they can't even see it, hence their insistence that we are the Leninists - see also Robbo's hysteria on the 'DotP' thread here.

    I've been aware for maybe 12 years that the SPGB's approach to consciousness is just... shit, but it's only recently that I think I've been able to pinpoint what's wrong with it.

    It does explain some very strange things about the SPGB though. They think the revolution in Russia was premeture, and yet their own foundation was on the basis that the world revolution was imminent in 1904.
  6. Blake's Baby
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    I certainly think that their view of class consciousness is idealistic. I can't remember if you were following the discussions on LibCom, but... much heat, very little light, and no recognition from the SPGBers that their position is both elitist and pedagogic... very (almost to the extent of caricature) 'Leninist' in fact, with its insistence that without the theoretical intervention of the socialist vanguard, the working class is incapable of advancing beyond trade union consciousness.
  7. Blake's Baby
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    Anyone. My suspicion is that the audience will be split between UKIP supporters n SPGBers. Neither side will change their mins one iota.

    The clarification of the political question 'is socialism or nationalism better for the working clas'. The UKIP supporters won't come round to a class analysis and the SPGBers aren't going to become nationalists. I don't see that discussing with the UKIP is going to convince anyone of anything. Or even get anyone to think about anything.
  8. Anti-Traditional
    What do you mean when you say clarification? For whom, and what is it that needs clarifying?
  9. Blake's Baby
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    I don't care about 'no platform' - UKIP is obviously far bigger/more important than SPGB so in that sense it should be UKIP supporters claiming 'no platform' for dangerous SPGB extremists.

    I just don't see the point. Debating with us, yes, that makes sense, debating with the AF, that makes sense, debating with the CWO, that makes sense; even debating with Tatchell the other day makes some kind of sense. But UKIP (or the BNP, who they've debated with before)? I can't see where clarification lies in that process.
  10. Blake's Baby
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    It's a stunt. I can't see much clarification coming out of it. How about you?
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I am not a 'Leftist'. I am not a 'Marxist-Leninist'. I am a Communist.
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