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    (continued) ... Strip club dancers and even burlesque dancers are considered to be in the field of sex work, so are porn stars, what is the difference between allowing someone to stare at your naked body for money, and for someone to have sex with it for money? It is a form of labour. Secondly, your blaming of the women in this field of work is nothing but sexist. Instead of concentrating on the (usually male) bosses and bourgeois society that maintains the wage system and economic disparity which leads people into wage labour, one of which is sex work, you choose to place more importance on the female workers involved in that practice.

    Technically, by your understanding, every worker should be considered as someone who maintains the capitalist system then, this patriarchal system. You should oppose all workers with that logic. It's about time the 'left' stopped targeting their blame on workers, and start focusing on the bosses and their state.
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    Err what? Moot analogy is moot, if you're a principled anti-racist, you wouldn't work for the immigration department. That can't be compared to the field of work you choose as a result of being in an exploited and oppressed socio-economic class. What were you trying to get at? And explain morality while you're at it ...

    No, lumpen proletariat doesn't exist. What would you consider to be lumpen and is it based on any real material understanding of social relations to the means of production, distribution and services? I only believe in two classes, the working class and the bourgeoisie.

    You say it is sexist for women to enter into prostitution, how is it? Also, what has that got to do with men, or people who define as no gender in the same field of work? Actually a number of working class people pay for sex also, or sexual acts even ... (continued)
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    (continued) ... as a means to survive (like any other work), prostitution simply provides a better means to keep yourself afloat. Also, fuck your morality, morality doesn't exist for one, explain why someone shouldn't have sex for a wage if they want to? Do you think in a society where the wage system has been abolished and workers have control over their workplace and society, prostitution will still exist? What will prostitutes exchange their labour for, they will have nothing to exchange it for, instead it will become obsolete and people will only have sex for the pleasure as opposed to for a living wage.

    You can't make an argument just by throwing words around either, explain how prostitutes are sexist, pessimistic, greedy, or even capitalist by any nature?
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    No, you are anti-worker if you target your opposition at the women + men involved in the work as opposed to the actual work itself. Take for example a campaign called Smash EDO, you probably have heard of it, in some of their actions, protesters have directed their anger and action at workers coming out of the plant (the plant manufactures weapons and armaments), their excuse for this is that those workers are contributing to the deaths of other people by working in a place that manufactures weapons, but our line should be that it is the whole system and the bosses that maintain this apparent right to produce killing machines, not the workers.

    On prostitutes, you make a sweeping generalisation, you don't take into account that there are many sex workers who are forced into their profession by other external forces (gangs, family, partners etc.), not only this, but you fail to realise that a lot of sex workers resort to their profession ... (continued)
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    Keep in mind that most prositutes are effectively forced into prostitution. Don't hate the whores. Hate the pimps, hate the system that drives them to such immoral lengths.
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    what the hell happened to your reputation? its in the negatives...
  7. "Someone is bound to convert or be part of some sort of left radical ideology" [sic]. How does this have anything to do with the potential of the WSN to ebcome a 'united left front'? Either way, as I've said before, I don't think this is a desirable outcome.

    What do you think is "very anarchist propagandaish" [sic] about a reading group attached to the WSN? The WSN comrades in Canberra are currently working on a similiar reading group. I think it would be a positive thing.
  8. "The surrounding social circumstances need to be considered when implementing Marxism i believe." - Even though this is not the way I would express it, of course left communists are aware of and consider the material circumstances of society.

    "you interested in the anarchist WSN? They talk about a united militant left front perhaps." -I don't think it's right to call the WSN 'anarchist'. Nor do I think it should be considered a 'united left front'. The WSN in my understanding is a network of militant workers (who as the circumstances stand, happen to be largely anarchist) who seek to build solidarity around workers struggles in Australia.
    Yes, this is something I would be very keen to participate in.

    Besides, weren't you at the first meeting?
  9. Samual, we've been over this many times already. There is nothing 'pure' about left communism. This is a term only used by people who really don't know what they are talking about.

    Regarding the discussion forum, it is no longer meeting. I think we all realise now that it was still-born and that many mistakes were made which worsened the whole event. What's important however now is that we learn lessons from it and move forward.
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    Are you actually a member of the CPA? Or did you just copy and paste the URL like I did ages back...?
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