Barbarism

  1. Entrails Konfetti
    Entrails Konfetti
    If the social-condition known as barbarism, is the product of Imperialism in its decline of trying to realise accumlutation of surplus-value; its tendency of the rate of profit to fall, does this mean that barbarism will be homogenous allover the globe, or can we argue that some parts of the world are already seeing barbarism (if Iraq could be an example)?
  2. Alf
    Alf
    Yes - as Rosa said about world war one: this war is barbarism. It's a fundamental tendency of the entire epoch of capitalist decline. The danger facing humanity is that it will reach the point where any possiblity of the socialist revolution is engulfed by it.
  3. Entrails Konfetti
    Entrails Konfetti
    So you're saying it can be too late for Socialist Revolution to act under Barbarism?

    If WWI was barbarism, but not an event leading to it, can the characteristics of barbarism be visable and unvisable to the public from time to time?
    (Visable and unvisable; if capital has found a temporary way to deal with the symptoms, by harsher exploitation, state regulation, updating technologies or otherwize).
  4. Alf
    Alf
    I don't think that when they talked about socialism or barbarism Marx or Engels meant a literal relapse to the 'barbarian' societies which they saw as a stage prior to class exploitation. I think they meant the collapse of bourgeois society without a social revolution leading to a higher form of social life, the consequences of which are incalculable, but which have become increasingly grave the longer capitalism has perpetuated itself: capitalism is now a far greater threat to the very survival of the human species than it was in the days of Marx, Engels or Luxemburg. It's clear that the first world war was already a first symptom of the collapse of the system. The bourgeoisie didn't just throw in the towel at that point - far from it. It has developed all sorts of ways of preserving its rule long past its sell by date. But precisely because it has preserved itself artifically for so long, the final disaster risks being all the more devastating. It's a bit like the Dracula films when, once he gets the stake in the heart, he just crumbles to dust....

    I don't think we have reached the point of no return, but we don't have unlimited time either.