Absurdism and Socialism, or Absurdism Versus Socialism

  1. The Intransigent Faction
    The Intransigent Faction
    My thoughts on this are still developing, but to what degree are absurdism and socialism reconcilable? There's a lot of beauty in Camus's words and in some sense the struggle for socialism can feel like Sisyphus' eternal struggle, I suppose, for us in our time. That said, he still quite explicitly rejects the historical dialectic from the same old mistaken notion of its being a pseudo-"religious" teleology, and instead seems to favour metaphysics and metaphysical notions of so-called "human nature".

    Thoughts?
  2. Zoroaster
    Zoroaster
    I think that socialism, and even Marxism to a certain degree, can work with Absurdism. Marx's early works, such as the Manuscripts of 1844, show a sort of Humanistic Marxian look upon history and society, and Marx does talk a lot about human nature (or as he calls it, Species-Being).

    So, although Camus rejected Marxism, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't. However, as absurdists, we should try to avoid any fatalistic interpretations of the March of History. Plus, Camus was a Syndicalist, so I guess it works.
  3. The Intransigent Faction
    The Intransigent Faction
    Yeah I've revised my views on their compatibility since I finished (hence my sig.). Still, as I said, it's a mistake to reject the historical dialectic based on that notion. I wouldn't equate a materialist species-being with an idealistic 'human nature', either, as I reject that concept in the sense most people use it, but I won't get into that here. It's late as I'm posting this.

    Marxism, far from dismissing the usefulness of the variety of philosophical schools of thought, sees a place for each of them in history, so in at least that sense absurdism can reflect something of use to the most hardened dialectical materialist.
  4. Zoroaster
    Zoroaster
    okay, fair point.