Motto/Slogan?

What do you guys think about it? I looked at the description for this page, and I thought that "The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.'' might be a good one.

We're trying not to come off as too communist in the initial stages of the project. Its more an engine of promoting anti-capitlist and pro-worker sentiment, and consequently communism than communism and consequently anti-capitalist and pro-worker sentiment. If we explicitly identify with Marxism or communism we will not gain much readership, and the site will be more of an exercise in "preaching to the choir" than raising class conscioussness. Making a slogan which is such a direct reference to Marx would be dangerous and could sabotage the mission of the periodical.

Great idea, although I'm not sure if most people would get it. Proletariat isn't too common, but I like your idea.

Maybe we should spice it up a little and throw in a bunch of overly-romanticized political rhetoric like democracy, freedom, liberty, solidarity, justice, equality, etc etc. They're pretty acceptable to most political cultures and they wouldn't come across as "my name's stalin and I want to impose a top-down dictatorship" authoritarian, you know?

Why should "we" be crypto-communists? We should not hide our ideology.

Maybe just gradually put it in? I can see it from both sides. I don't want to hide my views, but will it help to be not outward with it right away?

People might be interested in reading one that is outwardly communist.

Why should "we" be crypto-communists? We should not hide our ideology.

Because being communist, socialist, Marxist, etc has been slandered so badly by Western propaganda that the average working class citizen thinks that it is "evil" and whatnot and avoids it.

If we can convey our message without making it seem too over-the-top, it would probably get better reception and a wider audience.

Why should "we" be crypto-communists? We should not hide our ideology.

Because if we are overtly communists we mind as well not launch the project at all. Our reporting will only reach those who have already accepted our ideology and will have no real effects on spreading class conscioussness. Omsk if this is not appealing to you, you may be interested in the Social Media Project. We intend on making a variety of media pages and video channels which deal with debunking common myths about Marxism and about explaining the 20th century attempts at implementing communism. There can be multiple accounts of how the latter preceded so perhaps you would be interested in a historical defense of the USSR? A video refuting the "Stalin killed 1,000,000,000,000 peoples" would certainly be valuable.

I can understand where both arguments are coming from.

On one hand, we can't just draw the same old crowd, that would be pointless. On the other, we shouldn't just hide the fact we are communist.

I think a middle ground could work, we don't simply yell 'COMMUNISM!', but we don't deny our beliefs. I think wording the homepage like:

We oppose false images of freedom. We oppose regimes in which the working man does not have a direct input in government. We oppose the use of money to influence government decisions.

We stand for the working man. We stand for his right to dominate the political world. The working class make up the majority of the population. It should be him dictating the terms to the politicians.

I can understand where both arguments are coming from.

On one hand, we can't just draw the same old crowd, that would be pointless. On the other, we shouldn't just hide the fact we are communist.

I think a middle ground could work, we don't simply yell 'COMMUNISM!', but we don't deny our beliefs. I think wording the homepage like:

We oppose false images of freedom. We oppose regimes in which the working man does not have a direct input in government. We oppose the use of money to influence government decisions.

We stand for the working man. We stand for his right to dominate the political world. The working class make up the majority of the population. It should be him dictating the terms to the politicians.

I think that that's a great outline that we could start with! I'd say we add something about not supporting undemocratic institutions to show how big of fans of real democracy we really are

We aren't hiding our ideology Comrades, We are simply at odds with the Propaganda machine and so we have to ensure that our words get across to workers and leftists alike.

Nobody is hiding their beliefs comrades we are simply trying to be as open as possible.

Why should "we" be crypto-communists? We should not hide our ideology.

What is communism? It's a word that hides many sets of theories and concepts behind it. Does that word describe what we, as communists, believe in?

Yes, indeed it does, but only to those who know what it means. You can see the problem there. Communism as a word is a short form which many, unfortunately, don't understand. So, we'll simply have to give them the long form.

No one here is arguing that we should declare a crusade on communists while covertly spreading communist ideas. What's being argued is that we shouldn't yell it to the hypothetical reader's face.

But yes, since this is rehashing of what has been already said, this is an unnecessarily long form of saying that I agree with JPSarte, Positivist and Aussie Trotskyist.

Edit: Oh and, Comrades Unite!, too. Got ninja'd.

"Here today for a better tomorrow."

I can understand where both arguments are coming from.

On one hand, we can't just draw the same old crowd, that would be pointless. On the other, we shouldn't just hide the fact we are communist.

I think a middle ground could work, we don't simply yell 'COMMUNISM!', but we don't deny our beliefs. I think wording the homepage like:

We oppose false images of freedom. We oppose regimes in which the working man does not have a direct input in government. We oppose the use of money to influence government decisions.

We stand for the working man. We stand for his right to dominate the political world. The working class make up the majority of the population. It should be him dictating the terms to the politicians.

i definitely agree with this!

We will not have to deny our beliefs in our articles. The idea is to add other writers from outside this community here to allow us to draw a wider audience and hide in plain sight. This will be how we draw in readers who wouldn't normally read our material. So we can't draw then in with symbols that are stigmatized and slogans that are too obvious. That will be worked into the content and we will be the majority on the periodical. Positivist is right and this is the general idea. This is what makes us different from other blogs and periodicals. We cannot inspire a class conscious working class by only writing on sites that preach to the choir. We have to get into more serious well planned and strategic methods.

I can understand where both arguments are coming from.

On one hand, we can't just draw the same old crowd, that would be pointless. On the other, we shouldn't just hide the fact we are communist.

I think a middle ground could work, we don't simply yell 'COMMUNISM!', but we don't deny our beliefs. I think wording the homepage like:

We oppose false images of freedom. We oppose regimes in which the working man does not have a direct input in government. We oppose the use of money to influence government decisions.

We stand for the working man. We stand for his right to dominate the political world. The working class make up the majority of the population. It should be him dictating the terms to the politicians.

This is what we should be doing and thinking. This is a rough outline and a good starting point to expand from. We have to craft it and not fall into the pitfalls that our enemies will use to demonize us with. We can take away their argument by hiding in plain sight on a periodical devoted to free press and free society. We can address our beliefs in the content.

"Turn the wheels of change."

"Turn the wheels of change."

Or "Turning the Wheels of Change"???? I would like to know what other members think of this and the other ideas? We will need a slogan of some sort to accompany the title of the periodical. It should have a conceptual essence to it like this does. I think this is a good suggestion.

People might be interested in reading one that is outwardly communist.

Indeed they are and there are many. However these people have an established class consciousness to differing degrees or they will seek to heighten it through the same sources that we sought out when we started out. We are attempting to reach the untapped masses who haven't realized the class struggle is going on all around them. This is the intended audience for this periodical. It is also a tool for organizing our members into an effective coalition that will work together on all kinds of things. This is why Comrades Unite founded the group.

So there is no reason that we couldn't create a periodical like you are suggesting, and add the content from one to the other, minus the mainstream writer content. This would be far easier now that we have a group of writers assembled and working diligently together. This can and should be considered a real and practical possibility. There isn't any reason that we couldn't do this. Even if we had to re-title each article. How do you feel about this? How does group feel about this?