Any recommended reading?

  1. Commissar Rykov
    All part of my continued education on the various different branches of Leninism I figured I would ask for some reading to counter my list I have of Trotskyist works. Also any serious historical books or works that defend Stalin would be appreciated as well.

    I figure at this point I will read works of Trotsky then bounce them off responses by Stalin and thus further background information would be much appreciated.
  2. Ismail
    Ismail
    There isn't really any biography of Stalin that defends him. The closest would be Ian Grey's Stalin: Man of History, but that was written in 1979 and even then is more in the vein of "Stalin was a tyrant, but a productive tyrant believing in communistic doctrine which justified his tyranny."

    The Foundations of Leninism is the main work by Stalin: http://www.marx2mao.com/Stalin/FL24.html

    Another important work is Economic Problems of Socialism in the U.S.S.R.: http://www.marx2mao.com/Stalin/EPS52.html
  3. flobdob
    flobdob
    If you're going to read Trotsky, at least read his two best works - Terrorism and Communism and Social Democracy and the Wars of Intervention. I can see your logic but reading stuff like Results and Prospects and 1905 is just a waste of time. Spend it reading Lenin instead.

    Some recommended Leninist works (I see you're from the US, so I'll try to orientate it towards ones with immediate political relevance to you):

    Lenin
    Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism
    Imperialism and the Split in Socialism
    State and Revolution
    What is to be Done?
    The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self Determination
    The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky
    Marxism and Revisionism
    Two Tactics of Social Democracy in the Democratic Revolution
    A Charicature of Marxism and Imperialist Economism


    The political differences between Leninism and Trotskyism should become pretty clear.
  4. Rodrigo
    Rodrigo
    Read Stalin's "Dialectical and Historical Materialism", also Stalin's "Trotskyism or Leninism?", the "History of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks)" and Trotsky's "Our Revolution". Also recommended are Ludo Marten's "Another View of Stalin" and Harpal Brar's "Trotskyism Or Leninism". After you read those, of course.

    I'd add Lenin's "The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism" to flobdob's list.
  5. Commissar Rykov
    Thanks everyone as to reading Lenin I already have that is why I have been asking questions expanding on what Lenin established. Thanks for the list of reading though and as I figured Ismail there really isn't much which isn't surprising to me to be quite honest since the flourishing of Left Communism and Eurocommunism. Thanks though for the works by Stalin I have read some of those but it has been like 6 years or so ago so I wanted everything fresh. Rodrigo yet again you have been quite useful comrade I thank you again.

    At this point since I have never read any Trotsky before other than when I tried reading a chapter of his autobiography and found it extremely pretentious so I am trying to see what ideological issues he brings up. I am disturbed though by the fact it seems that modern Trotskyism seem nothing more than an extension of Menshevism with its everything must be democratic line which clashes with what Trotsky actually did and with the statements Lenin made in his works about Central Planning and use of experts in certain situations seems quite odd. Then again it seems Modern Trotskyism is nothing more than an attempt at merging with Left Communism though I am curious whether that is because of the nature of Trotsky changing his tune after being exiled or the inherent Menshevism of most Trotskyists.
  6. Ismail
    Ismail
    Actually a lot of Mensheviks admired Trotsky's analyses of the USSR after he was exiled, particularly David Dallin. Trotsky refused to work with most of them though and in fact constantly accused Stalin of "Menshevism."
  7. Commissar Rykov
    Stalin of Menshevism? Now that is rich that would be the last thing I would think of accusing him of. Then where did this Menshevism come from then in modern Trotskyist Parties? Is it just due to a trend of a shift towards Left Communism and they are just following like puppets?
  8. Dzerzhinsky's Ghost
    Dzerzhinsky's Ghost
    In addition to what others have said I would recommend anything and everything by Hoxha.

    You might enjoy his articles on Yugoslavia and Imperialism and Revolution and The Khrushchevites.
  9. Commissar Rykov
    I have been rereading Lenin's State and Revolution and something came to mind when he was discussing that the Dictatorship of the Proletariat must be control of the State without any question. Doesn't this fly in the face of what Trotskyism suggests a multi-party State? I mean isn't that basically just Menshevism and exactly what the Kronsadt Mutineers wanted?
  10. Comrade_Stalin
    Comrade_Stalin
    I have been rereading Lenin's State and Revolution and something came to mind when he was discussing that the Dictatorship of the Proletariat must be control of the State without any question. Doesn't this fly in the face of what Trotskyism suggests a multi-party State? I mean isn't that basically just Menshevism and exactly what the Kronsadt Mutineers wanted?
    A multi-party State like the United States, or current day Russain?

    Trotskist when show real world examples of there ideals turn around and attack us Stalinist, as fast or faster then when we point out to anarchist that somalia is in anarchy.
  11. Commissar Rykov
    I am becoming even more disturbed by things especially distortions by Trotsky. Like how he Zioniev and Kamenev were against the October Revolution though Trotsky makes it seem like it was Stalin who was though that goes against the official minutes. Also the description of Socialism in The State and Revolution sure sounds alot like what Stalin established under his rule.

    I guess the only thing really holding me back at this moment is why were so many Central Committee members executed? Is there any reason given? I can believe a Trotsky, Zioniev and Kamenev plot as they seemed in league since the beginning but what about the rest?
  12. Ismail
    Ismail
    I guess the only thing really holding me back at this moment is why were so many Central Committee members executed? Is there any reason given? I can believe a Trotsky, Zioniev and Kamenev plot as they seemed in league since the beginning but what about the rest?
    Trotsky attempted to form a "Left-Right Bloc" with rightists in the Party such as Bukharin and Rykov. Grover Furr does mention the whole Central Committee thing in his book Khrushchev Lied, but I don't have it on hand. Needless to say it's obvious that various innocent persons died.
  13. Commissar Rykov
    Trotsky attempted to form a "Left-Right Bloc" with rightists in the Party such as Bukharin and Rykov. Grover Furr does mention the whole Central Committee thing in his book Khrushchev Lied, but I don't have it on hand. Needless to say it's obvious that various innocent persons died.
    Thanks for the response Ismail. I am getting ready to read Another View of Stalin by Ludo Martens pretty soon but if you provide some information by Furr that would be excellent as well. I am really disturbed with how much distortion of history there has been by not only Trotsky but his followers who have muddied the water to the point of absurdity.

    I am amused though in the Revolution Betrayed by Trotsky that he doesn't even seem to know what the definition of Socialism is and what he provides is completely utopian and not scientific socialism and especially not what Lenin thought it was.
  14. Commissar Rykov
    Good fucking hell how the flying donkey fuck do Trotskyists seriously call themselves Leninists? They reject everything ever setout by Lenin and basically piss all over his ideas in The State and Revolution. They were trying to say they support Planned Economy except not really lets have it run by the Unions and allow everyone to have a say in it. I mean is that the Trotskyist answer to every problem? More decentralization and just let Counterrevolutionary element vote? Sure that couldn't blow up in your face. RAAAAAAAGGGEEE.

    Seriously though how can they seriously call themselves Leninists of any stripe? It is obviously Trotsky's take on Menshevism running wild with Far Left Adventurism. What a load of horseshit I can't believe I wasted so much time reading his garbage well at least I learned for myself it was garbage. Just figured I would rant about it. :P
  15. Ismail
    Ismail
    It's always ironic when Trots call "Stalinists" Mensheviks, when, of course, Trotsky bitterly denounced Lenin for over 10 years as everything from a counter-revolutionary to a "dictator," and at the 1903 Congress of the RSDLP he sided with the Mensheviks over the Bolsheviks. The "left-wing" Mensheviks throughout the 1930's tried to build relations with the Trotskyists, claiming that Trotsky's analysis of the USSR was quite similar to their own.
  16. Commissar Rykov
    It's always ironic when Trots call "Stalinists" Mensheviks, when, of course, Trotsky bitterly denounced Lenin for over 10 years as everything from a counter-revolutionary to a "dictator," and at the 1903 Congress of the RSDLP he sided with the Mensheviks over the Bolsheviks. The "left-wing" Mensheviks throughout the 1930's tried to build relations with the Trotskyists, claiming that Trotsky's analysis of the USSR was quite similar to their own.
    What I really love is in The Revolution Betrayed instead of admitting he is attacking Lenin's ideas he just claims the ideas came from Stalin specifically about how Socialism isn't Stateless not something that Stalin came up with but was already established by Lenin in The State and Revolution. Trotsky also complains about experts planning the economy saying Stalin was to blame yet again though we look at Lenin's The State and Revolution and you once again see that Lenin states the economy must have experts to help plan it.

    Honestly I thought Trotskyism was Leninist in nature but after reading through his ideas about the program it is obvious he isn't. I also enjoyed that he claimed Socialism is just another name for Communism which flies in the face of what Lenin states in that class divisions will still exist in Socialism and as Stalin further clarifies will be intensified under Socialism and that Communism is the final stage of the transformation.
  17. Sixiang
    Sixiang
    I support the Trot raging in this discussion. Also, if you want to study up on "the various different branches of Leninism", I'm going to have to throw in my recommendation of checking out Mao. Someone mentioned Hoxha. It think it is only fair that I mention my tendency.