The Red Army

  1. Soldat
    Soldat
    You know being an arse doesnt make you popular. The Polish invade the ukranine peoples Republic and took itd western Territory. the Red Army pushed them back to warsaw.
    You know how I know you're only 14 or 15 or something? Because you can never admit when you are wrong. You just ignore it and change the subject.

    How exactly is what you just said not what I wrote the last two times?
  2. Brother No. 1
    Brother No. 1
    You know how I know you're only 14 or 15 or something?
    If your going on ageism then please stop.


    Because you can never admit when you are wrong.
    You havent for the past pages when I have brought leftist information that debunks Capitalist information then you come back and try to debunk my information with Capitalist information. You come here , on a leftist site, using this group to show your moderate self while you use the fourm to show your "leftist" tendencies. If you say "14 year olds can never admit they are wrong" then isnt that some fucked up generalization don't you think? You dont admit your wrong on the subject of nuclear attacks or how the USSR was "imperialist" and "counqered" Eastern Europe with little to no knowlege on leftism itself you try to pass by on this site knowing all conservative things on war,military,etc. Your "leftist" views are on Social issues and labour but while everything else your conservative in.

    You just ignore it and change the subject.
    Bravo you've become the one that most annoys me on the conservative line. Now why dont we get this straight. Ig I was to *Ignore* your sjubect then I wouldnt speak of it. I have spoken of it but you then come in with more rubbish to deal with and many have said for me to ignore you and stop the bullshit. I find it hard with you bashing the USSR to the full extent. I know of what the USSR did wrong but you havent said what they did wrong concering other factos only coming up with your own and finding "nutral" sites to back them up. Now if I was to say "what do you think of Joseph Stalin you'd give me Bullshit and all this "nrutral" sites on what he did wrong, not conerning abortion and the homosexual laws, but seriously I can see why no one else would argue. Becuase they find it annoy and trieing to argue with a moderate who supports his claims with "nuetal sites."


    How exactly is what you just said not what I wrote the last two times?
    The Red Army attacked Poland and pushed its forces all the war back to Warsaw. Poland then turned the tide and pushed to Soviets eastward until the USSR sued for peace and the war ended.
    No mention of Ukranie here.


    Did the Red Army not launch and attack on Polish forces and push them all the way to Warsaw?
    Still no urkaine. So in revelance you havent said one word about the Polish attack on the Ukraine or the Polish-Ukraine war. You just stated the the Red Army invaded, as if un-provoked, and got to warsaw being pushd back by Polish. You said nothing about why the Red Army advanced into Poland you only said they advanced as if they were a Imperialist war-machine.
  3. Soldat
    Soldat
    If your going on ageism then please stop.
    Its okay, I guess you will get older and smarter later. Are you really 14? That was an honest guess based on how you act. But let me tell you something, when i was 14 I was all hardcore into my political affiliation of choice, which was Conservative. I walked the party line and believed whatever fit my ideology. Now just 5 years later I despise the hardcore conservatives like I was and have since learned to think for myself and not trust any political ideology. Everybody lies, the best you can do is wade throught the BS and find the truth for yourself. Thats my honest advice, and I can assure you when your in college you will look back at your Freshmen in Highschool self and realize how foolish you were.



    You havent for the past pages when I have brought leftist information that debunks Capitalist information then you come back and try to debunk my information with Capitalist information. You come here , on a leftist site, using this group to show your moderate self while you use the fourm to show your "leftist" tendencies. If you say "14 year olds can never admit they are wrong" then isnt that some fucked up generalization don't you think? You dont admit your wrong on the subject of nuclear attacks or how the USSR was "imperialist" and "counqered" Eastern Europe with little to no knowlege on leftism itself you try to pass by on this site knowing all conservative things on war,military,etc. Your "leftist" views are on Social issues and labour but while everything else your conservative in.
    Left on labor and social issues? There is little else isnt there.

    Also, stop trying to turn this topic into a capitalism/socialism thread or an east/west thread. Its all you have tried to do this entire time. Stick to the actual topic for a post or two.


    Bravo you've become the one that most annoys me on the conservative line. Now why dont we get this straight. Ig I was to *Ignore* your sjubect then I wouldnt speak of it. I have spoken of it but you then come in with more rubbish to deal with and many have said for me to ignore you and stop the bullshit. I find it hard with you bashing the USSR to the full extent. I know of what the USSR did wrong but you havent said what they did wrong concering other factos only coming up with your own and finding "nutral" sites to back them up. Now if I was to say "what do you think of Joseph Stalin you'd give me Bullshit and all this "nrutral" sites on what he did wrong, not conerning abortion and the homosexual laws, but seriously I can see why no one else would argue. Becuase they find it annoy and trieing to argue with a moderate who supports his claims with "nuetal sites."
    Look buddy. I know about military history, I study it. My particular area of interest is WWII and particularly the eastern front, I know more about it than you. In my opinion the USSR was not a good country. Under its government millions upon millions died and more suffered, not to mention the USSR completely destroyed the ideals of Marx and was nothing more than a state capitalist country with a authoritarian government. Maybe you have a different opinion, and you have a right to it, Im sure you have reasons for it.





    No mention of Ukranie here.




    Still no urkaine. So in revelance you havent said one word about the Polish attack on the Ukraine or the Polish-Ukraine war. You just stated the the Red Army invaded, as if un-provoked, and got to warsaw being pushd back by Polish. You said nothing about why the Red Army advanced into Poland you only said they advanced as if they were a Imperialist war-machine.
    So now to state what a county does I need to give a background to it? We were talking about the Polish Soviet war so I assumed the Polish invasion of Ukraine went without saying when I mentioned the later Soviet and Polish interactions. The same way when people say "In 1941 Germany invaded Russia" and dont feel the need to explain that the Germans and Russiand had together conquored Poland and that the invasion initially struck in occupied territory rather than the Russia proper.


    ANYWAY, back to the topic at hand...
  4. DecDoom
    Its okay, I guess you will get older and smarter later.
    Okay, I'm sorry, but this is just stupid. Age does not equal level of intelligence, and if there's anyone I hate more, it's someone who discriminates based on age. I ran into that shit so much when I was little, and it still burns when I think about it.
  5. Brother No. 1
    Brother No. 1
    Under its government millions upon millions died and more suffered,
    This is a bougoise lie. Trotskyists know this is false as do Marxist-Leninists. Its basic understanding to know facts from fiction.

    not to mention the USSR completely destroyed the ideals of Marx
    and what do you know of Marx? Your not even Marxist yet you claim it destroyed his ideals. Let us remember that Marx never predicted that a Revolution would come in a 3rd world county, like the Russian Empire or China at the time of the 1940s, and thought they would happen in 1st world countries. The difference in the optating of a 1st or 3rd world is simple. The developent of industry and economy. When the Bolsheviks optatined Russia they already had dealt with both a civil war and allied invasion that caused famine across the land. They also had to build up the development of the industry to make the Workers contorl the means of prodution. Once they had done that then it would become a dictatorship of the Proletarian.

    was nothing more than a state capitalist country with a authoritarian government.
    Do you even know what you are saying? So your saying when the USSR was created in 1924 it was a Capitalist state out of thin air? do you even know what it takes to make a Capitalist state? The authoritarian part is a hit and miss due to its Capitalist restoridation, since they had a Restoridation of Capitalism it doesnt make it a Capitlaist state for you cant restore it if its already there, but mainly it was a Socialist state from 1924-1956 and from there on its hard to say. Some of its Socialism can/can not been seen but on the main side through-out most of its life it was a Socialist state. untill the final years ,1980s, then it was finally becoming a Capitlaist state.


    Also, stop trying to turn this topic into a capitalism/socialism thread or an east/west thread. Its all you have tried to do this entire time. Stick to the actual topic for a post or two.
    I do but then you say my sources are Soviet "propaganda" and I say they arent, you are a moderate so its almost understandable, so if you dont question my sources, they are leftist unlike yours, then the debates on my sources will not happen.


    I guess you will get older and smarter later.
    You barely know pratice and theory and you claim I'm not smart? I've been reading Lenin's works,Stalin's work's,Mao's works,Dialectal Materialism, that is hard really, and your discriminating me based on age? Thats Ageism and this site doest allow discrimination based on age.


    Are you really 14?
    you didnt bother to check my profile did you?

    That was an honest guess based on how you act.
    I'm not nice to Reactionaries to be put in blunt terms and you are = to a Reactionary.


    Now just 5 years later I despise the hardcore conservatives like I was and have since learned to think for myself and not trust any political ideology.
    S a 19 year old "former" conservative it telling me a 14 year old Communist that Communists/Anarchists will lie to gain power and they shouldnt be trust I should trust myself and my own actions. So if You dont trust any political ideology then answer this one question. Why are you on a site that is on the left political ideolgoy?
    This site talks about the left and the lies of the right. This site isnt for an Apolitcal person such as yourself.


    I can assure you when your in college you will look back at your Freshmen in Highschool self and realize how foolish you were.

    Surce...and I'll call Stalin an "evil bastard" too. *Sarcasism.*


    I know about military history, I study it.
    and American politicans say they know politics, and China says they are a "Socialist state,"etc. Besides your learning from a rightist country. Doesnt that mean you'd be against the "left" stance since you are on the right.


    In my opinion the USSR was not a good country.
    Depends what your concepts of "good" and "bad" are.


    So now to state what a county does I need to give a background to it?
    you claimed.

    How exactly is what you just said not what I wrote the last two times?
    And your last 2 posts on the subject said.


    The Red Army attacked Poland and pushed its forces all the war back to Warsaw. Poland then turned the tide and pushed to Soviets eastward until the USSR sued for peace and the war ended.
    and

    Did the Red Army not launch and attack on Polish forces and push them all the way to Warsaw?
    You never mentioned on the concept why they invaded.

    there is a difference in War.

    "We Marxists differ both from pacifists and Anarchists in that we recognise the necessity of a historical study of each war individually, from the point of view of Marx's dialectical materialism. There have been wars in history which, notwithstanding all the horrors, cruelties, miseries and tortures inevitably associated with every war, had a progressive character, i.e., they served the development of mankind".
  6. Soldat
    Soldat
    Jesus Christ man, can you try to stay on topic for just one post? If you want to argue other things with me we can do it over AIM if you would really like to.
  7. Brother No. 1
    Brother No. 1
    Jesus Christ man, can you try to stay on topic for just one post?
    I will when you stay on topic and stop trying to debunk every single sentence I say and discriminate me for the fact I am 14. when you stop trying to say you are right on the whole entire concept of the USSR. You started the posts about my age and I wouldnt stand for the fact for you think tha becuase I am 14 I am not = to your intellegence. Its called Ageism. When you finally have a knowlege on leftism then you can talk to me on the USSR,Communism,Socialism,etc.
  8. Soldat
    Soldat
    I will when you stay on topic and stop trying to debunk every single sentence I say and discriminate me for the fact I am 14. when you stop trying to say you are right on the whole entire concept of the USSR. You started the posts about my age and I wouldnt stand for the fact for you think tha becuase I am 14 I am not = to your intellegence. Its called Ageism. When you finally have a knowlege on leftism then you can talk to me on the USSR,Communism,Socialism,etc.
    Im not trying to talk to you about Communism or Socialism. Im trying to talk about the Red Army, the topic here, remember?
  9. Brother No. 1
    Brother No. 1
    Im trying to talk about the Red Army, the topic here, remember?
    You've talked far much more then the USSR. I'll leave it at that.


    Im not trying to talk to you about Communism or Socialism
    Socialism was apart of the Red Army's job. As was with the PLA in China. You stating that the USSR was state Capitalist without a well educated reason means that the Red Army wasnt helping defending Socialism from Capitalism but defending Capitalism from Capitlaism.
  10. Communist Theory
    Communist Theory
    Polish Soviets age has nothing to do with his ability to debate or his maturity for that matter Soldat he has been more then capable in debating with you.
    As for the debate I'm getting bored.
    Polish Soviet wins.
  11. Salabra
    Salabra
    I've taken the liberty to delete a majority of Soldat and Polish Soviets post because after reading most of them I saw that they were basically the same things worded differently.

    So yeah, continue with the debate.
    Wow, end of term madness has deprived me of some lively interaction, I see! Thanks for reposting, though, Polish Soviet!

    You keep saying that, though I can provide neutral sources to support my claims.
    There are no neutral sources in any discussion, particularly in this one.

    But this is not a thread about epistemology either.

    Polish Soviets age has nothing to do with his ability to debate or his maturity for that matter Soldat he has been more then capable in debating with you.

    As for the debate I'm getting bored.

    Polish Soviet wins.
    Well said!
  12. Brother No. 1
    Brother No. 1
    Thanks for reposting, though, Polish Soviet!
    No problem though I almost lost my marbles when he did Ageism on me.
  13. LOLseph Stalin
    LOLseph Stalin
    Polish Soviet, if you don't like what he's saying just ignore him. It's not hard.
  14. Brother No. 1
    Brother No. 1
    you know its to late for that.
  15. LOLseph Stalin
    LOLseph Stalin
    I just noticed now he was gone. :s
  16. Soldat
    Soldat
    Anybody seen the film 9th Company (9 Pota)? Its a Russian film about Afghanistan, it was real good.

    http://www.9thcompany.com/
  17. The Maoist Revolutionary
    The Maoist Revolutionary
    They kicked nazi butt! War often sucks, but still, THANKS RED ARMY FOR KILLING NAZIS! If you are a Red Army World War II veteran, I give you a medal.
  18. Illuminati
    Okay, I'm sorry, but this is just stupid. Age does not equal level of intelligence, and if there's anyone I hate more, it's someone who discriminates based on age. I ran into that shit so much when I was little, and it still burns when I think about it.


    It was a trollish/elitist statement by Soldat intended to evoke anger and incite the flame war, whom is obviously a disinfo provocateur or troll by nature.

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