A new type of organization

  1. Die Neue Zeit
    Die Neue Zeit
    The only new types of organization needed at the moment are party-movements (real parties being real movements and vice versa) and an international "brotherhood of the peoples" uniting these party-movements.

    Discussion clubs aren't as effective as politicized food banks, and neither are as effective as more total organization.

    I think that the latter, in the form of the new International - and *only* the new International by Hugo Chavez - is capable of bringing about the former (i.e., party-movements). The International Workingmen's Association preceded the pre-war SPD and also Bebel's SAPD. It came into existence mainly because of the impetus of British trade unionism (not Lassalle's ADAV), which was without a political party until the bastardized Labour party came along. The original Socialist International contributed to the formation of the RSDLP.

    Thoughts?
  2. Tower of Bebel
    Tower of Bebel
    I'm in doubt. What has Chavez to offer and what has his call for a new International to offer? Devrim recently pointed that Left Communists belief that the working class party (the world party or International included) is something historic and is part of the working class "world historic" task.

    Notwithstanding my disagreements with Left Communism on the question of programme I think that they are correct to take up this claims which originates from the Comm. Manifesto. So again: what has Chavez to offer? We don't need another International; we needed communist rapprochement on the basis of a revolutionary programme (not a mere action programme or the theoretical conclusions invented by would-be parties, but one arising form the class struggle itself) that offers working class unity.

    Since I wrote about the class struggle I can agree with you on the point of party-movements (first the movement, then the party).
  3. Die Neue Zeit
    Die Neue Zeit
    I think it is a rapprochement as well. I mean, right now the pareconists like to make jabs at Marxist "monism" or whatever (focusing on class and not things like identity politics), and they have their own little SDKPiL discussion/"activist" circles (not working with Marxists), but boy even the call forced them to rethink their approach.

    BTW, why "first the movement then the party" if they are identical?
  4. Tower of Bebel
    Tower of Bebel
    Because right now I think we need to have parties that grow out of worker's movements instead of the current system of "sects" (parties and party splits).