Equal wages

  1. LeninBalls
    LeninBalls
    So, I was reading Critique of the Gotha Programme today (finished it), and while I was reading some of Lenins notebook and an excerpt of the State and Revolution, where he says "All that is required is that they should work equally, do their proper share of work, and get paid equally"

    Now, I was reading a book sometime ago, I think it was the State and Revolution (in it's entirety), and Lenin quoted some thing about Engels or Marx (honestly can't remember, it's been a while I read it) moaning about how people do not get paid equally.

    Can someone clear this up, everytime I think I know it all about socialism, something comes up...
  2. LeninBalls
    LeninBalls
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  3. Charles Xavier
    Ideally eventually advanced communism will have equal wages for equal work. What specifically is your question?
  4. AntifaAustralia
    AntifaAustralia
    ive heard of extra pay for Hard labour/unpleasant work (mining, cleaning) or highly skilled work (dont agree with this one), i think i read it from some anarcho-communist book, not quite sure.

    there are different classes involved in employment such as hard/easy/DANGEROUS work,
    should we have some sort of wage increase for undesireable jobs??
    some jobs people wont wanna do, force them? label them anti-community lazys?

    I'm sounding slightly anti-communist here, but i'm just curious at some possible issues ive read about in that book, baukuanin i think.

    a community works to benefit the community (some kind of capitalism of mankind), so it would be honourable to do a Dangerous, hard or skilled job. i think i accept this point.
  5. LeninBalls
    LeninBalls
    I was asking basically, do people get paid EQUALLY in socialism. Because apparently they do, and apparently they don't.

    Thanks for the replies though.
  6. dez
    dez
    Bear in mind its not a wage.
    You get the exact product of your work, which is associated with how much you work and not a period of time or how much people think they can get with your work.
    This whole conception stems from the idea that the value of commodities is defined by the amount of labour put in it, and not by the whim of a ruling class.
    In capitalism, you put an X amount of labour and get the equivalent to a X amount of labour as payment minus your employers fee(or, if you are self employed, what people "collectively" agree to pay). In socialism, you work X and get exactly X.
    So while everyone gets paid equally(everyone gets the exact product of their labour), its not equal because two people wont work the same.


    And yes, if you, with the same labour time, produce more than someone else (or generates a same product with better quality, which is also "more"), you will get paid more, because you put more labour in it.