What the fuck should i learn next year

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Im looking for somthing which has no meditation bullshit.

Krav Maga קרב מגע() is an eclectic self-defense and military hand-to-hand combat system developed in Israel, which assumes no quarter will be given, and emphasizes maximum threat neutralization in a "real life" context. It came to prominence following its adoption by various Israeli Security Forces.

basically, it's how to remove your oponants eyelids or genitals, or kill your opponant as quickly as possible.

the fact that it's israeli means we should boycott it.

But most of the clases are domestic and have nothing to do with Israel.

I will probs try out krav maga next year.

basically, it's how to remove your oponants eyelids or genitals, or kill your opponant as quickly as possible.

Isn't that a little less on the self-defence side, and a little more torture?

Isn't that a little less on the self-defence side, and a little more torture?

Well. The basic philosophy is that there are no rules in fighting. If you get mugged by a heorin addict with a knife in a dark alley, the frog in the pond bullshit is out the window.

You want to incapacitate your foe so they cannot cause you any danger. This is best done through severe bodily harm. Krav teaches you to do things like this in one or two quick moves.

I will probs try out krav maga next year.

Very good idea. Check out this video; (but remember, there are almost no Israeli krav schools in the UK, you'd be learning it from an independant sports place)

+ YouTube Video

Would it be justified killing someone because they tried to mug you?

I'm not saying I'm against the lethal trainings of Krav Maga per se, just, unless one's life is being threatened, it seems a little extreme to kill someone in a fight. It's easy to get carried away in a fight and all, so I guess just as important as the moves is the soundness of judgement and responsibility that comes with such potentially murderous power. Just my opinion anyway.


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Well. The basic philosophy is that there are no rules in fighting. If you get mugged by a heorin addict with a knife in a dark alley, the frog in the pond bullshit is out the window.

You want to incapacitate your foe so they cannot cause you any danger. This is best done through severe bodily harm. Krav teaches you to do things like this in one or two quick moves.



Very good idea. Check out this video; (but remember, there are almost no Israeli krav schools in the UK, you'd be learning it from an independant sports place)

+ YouTube Video

If i find local places that do it and PM you the list could you say which one looks like the best place to go?

Edit: it seems my choices are the Street Wise Self-Defence Association or the scout hall i think i will choose the former (as long as it dont cost a fortune)

Would it be justified killing someone because they tried to mug you?

I'm not saying I'm against the lethal trainings of Krav Maga per se, just, unless one's life is being threatened, it seems a little extreme to kill someone in a fight. It's easy to get carried away in a fight and all, so I guess just as important as the moves is the soundness of judgement and responsibility that comes with such potentially murderous power. Just my opinion anyway.

First, its very hard to judge if your life is threatened. I'm back from a training weekend and once again saw how hard it is to judge if someone has a knife if its dark or he hides it. I am not saying that I would try to kill everyone that attacks me in the dark, but it's good to know that possibility.

Second is that you also train fighting, means you train to control yourself even in a hard sparing fight. That makes it easier for you to control yourself in real life. Also as you train a lot more non-lethal stuff in civil krav maga (as opposed to military km), means you automatically defend yourself non-lethal too, you have to decide to attack possibly lethal spots.

Third, to train lethal and non-lethal situations a lot gives you the ability to judge situation a lot better.

But in the end my trainer always says "we just give you new options to decide in dangerous situations, what you are willing to do is something you have to decide." or something like that. KM does not have any kind of moral standards. (how could it, developed to send Israeli soldiers to kill and die as fast as possible...).

A six year old can gouge someone's eyes and knee them in the balls. I'm not speaking from ignorance either, I trained in Krav Maga for about a year and a half.

Anyway, to answer the original question, you should start boxing. One thing that boxing does that the vast majority of other combat sports and martial arts don't do is toughen you up and let you actually hit people and get hit. It does this for a number of reasons. First of all, most guys you'll find in a boxing gym are working class kids that are a lot tougher than the 30 year old fitness nut you'll find in a Krav Maga class.

Second, boxing isn't boxing without sparring. Unlike other martial arts, there is no debate over whether people should engage in full-contact sparring or not, it's a given in boxing that you will do it, unless it's some stupid boxercise class for middle-aged mothers. It doesn't matter how great your inward crescent kick is or how good you are at pulling off an omoplata, if you get punched in the face and you don't know what that feels like and how to react, you're going to get your ass kicked. A lot of self-defense and martial arts places will have what they call sparring, but you'll often hear the instructor say something along the lines of "20% power, 30% speed". In boxing, it's usually more like 80 or 90 percent. In other words, you're hitting them hard enough that they're definitely feeling it and it's painful, but not quite hard enough to knock them to the canvas.

Lastly, boxing gyms are incredibly inexpensive. You could probably find a state-run one if you live in the U.S. nearby that's free, and if not, you could easily find one for less than thirty dollars a month. You'll be lucky if you find other martial arts studios offering class for less than $100 a month. Also, boxing gyms are gyms, not training studios. There aren't classes, you go when it fits your schedule.

I'm sure some people will respond saying how boxing meets force with force and is inefficient to use in a street fight, which is total bullshit to anyone that has actually been in a real fight before. No matter how centered your chi is or how great of a triangle choke you have, there is little that beats the ability to hit someone hard and fast, and avoid getting hit yourself, which is what boxing teaches better than probably any other martial art. The reason why it does this is that, not only does it have centuries of testing behind it, millions of people box. Professional boxers are unbelievably talented, and they got that way by using what works and throwing away what doesn't. There's not point-sparring in boxing, people die in the boxing ring, it is meant to make your fists as dangerous as possible, in addition to making you as near impossible to hit as you can be.

People will undoubtedly say how boxing is simplistic in that one only uses their hands, which is completely false. In boxing, footwork is taught before the first punch is even thrown. Watching someone like Sugar Ray Robinson move around the ring is like watching somebody dance. Your hands are by far your most useful striking tool. They strike the fastest and, more importantly, you don't have to stand still to punch someone. You can be getting backed into a corner yet still manage to get off a hook into someone's liver that sends them to the ground. Try kicking or kneeing someone while moving, you can't do it. Mobility is everything in a fight, disregard kicks unless the amount of damage it will inflict is more than the potential risk to your safety.

Well in my KM school we train sparing at full speed, at first with low force and later with full force. In my school you can pretty much decide the strength between the partners. We do use boxing for that mostly though (added kicks, chocking etc.) Same goes for dodging and moving, we are using boxing techniques for that.I do agree though that most MA centres have way to few "real" fights.

Also you might speak for the U.S. but here good boxing gyms are just as expensive as KM. All about 30-45 Euro.

Boxing does however restrict yourself too much in my opinion. In many situations elbows, knee kicks, kicks, headbuts are a better solution. Also boxing doesn't offer defence for those above, choking or grabbing attacks. Adding to that in boxing you are in a safe place with one enemy, enough light, good shoes which is totally different to a situation in which you don't see much, the enemy has a weapon, there is loud music or whatever can confuse your fighting. We train all those situations (and many more like cars, busses etc.) in KM.

Also no doubt in a fair one on one fight I loose to a boxer. But I'm not training for a fair one on one fight.

Oh and I don't go training to go up against the toughest kids in town (though I probably do considering the amount of soldiers and military instructors). Training against weaker, stronger and equally strong partners makes a pretty good mix. Even girls are allowed to train with me

Well in my KM school we train sparing at full speed, at first with low force and later with full force. In my school you can pretty much decide the strength between the partners. We do use boxing for that mostly though (added kicks, chocking etc.) Same goes for dodging and moving, we are using boxing techniques for that.I do agree though that most MA centres have way to few "real" fights.

Also you might speak for the U.S. but here good boxing gyms are just as expensive as KM. All about 30-45 Euro.

Boxing does however restrict yourself too much in my opinion. In many situations elbows, knee kicks, kicks, headbuts are a better solution. Also boxing doesn't offer defence for those above, choking or grabbing attacks. Adding to that in boxing you are in a safe place with one enemy, enough light, good shoes which is totally different to a situation in which you don't see much, the enemy has a weapon, there is loud music or whatever can confuse your fighting. We train all those situations (and many more like cars, busses etc.) in KM.

Also no doubt in a fair one on one fight I loose to a boxer. But I'm not training for a fair one on one fight.

Oh and I don't go training to go up against the toughest kids in town (though I probably do considering the amount of soldiers and military instructors). Training against weaker, stronger and equally strong partners makes a pretty good mix. Even girls are allowed to train with me

A jab is probably the best defense out there for knees and kicks, as your hands can travel way faster than your legs. Also, though I understand some of what you're saying, no matter how many opponents you're up against and in what situation, having to ability to punch someone incredibly hard and fast and avoid getting hit yourself is of immeasurable value.

For the most part though, your legs have greater range than your arms (unless you are an ape) so a boxer going against a kickboxer is already at a disadvantage.

Think of a tall person pushing a midget back with one hand.

I'm not saying kicking is totally useless, but that boxer could have jabbed the kickboxer two or even three times before his shin even connects with him.

haha but why do most boxers lose from kickboxers? Most of the times their ancles get splintered because they are perfect in protecting their face and body but their leg defense is worthless/nothing.

haha but why do most boxers lose from kickboxers? Most of the times their ancles get splintered because they are perfect in protecting their face and body but their leg defense is worthless/nothing.

Where are all these boxers vs. kickboxers fights? I must be missing something.

is this proof?

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=xBG9PeImA10

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbj...s-boxing_sport

ever watched k-1?

K-1 is the uppermost level of kickboxing competition, therefore all of the best kickboxers in the world compete there. When was the last time Ricky Hatton or Pacquiao or Vasquez fought in K-1?

how is he going to jab him if he cant even get near him? If i'm going to kick you i'm not going to let you get close enough.

Footwork and foot speed, something boxers are some of the best at. I'm not saying other martial arts are useless, like I said I did Krav Maga for a while and I also did BJJ and wrestled for my school, I just think boxing is the best you're going to get for self-defence for the reasons I stated in my first post.

Kicks may have longer range than a punch but they are much slower than a punch.
A top boxer who can evade quick jabs will have no problem dodging kicks.

is this proof?

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=xBG9PeImA10

Arthur Williams is a joke. Also, we're not talking about a boxer using boxing rules fighting a kickboxer using kickboxing rules, we're talking about each styles practicality in a street fight or self-defense situation.