FLQ October Crisis

  1. victim77
    victim77
    What do you guy's think of the october crisis and the FLQ? Do you think the war measures act was justified? I don't support the FLQ but I think that the War Measures act is bullshit and should never be used!
  2. nvm
    Well it was a tense situation. I agree that the war measures are bullshit but at times like that most people can justify them.
    Although I am against separation and nationalism as I see it as a way to distract the workers from the real problems and separate them into anglophone and francophone I think that the state should not go that far.
  3. Bear MacMillan
    My parents lived around one of the kidnappings on the east end. The war measures act was pretty uncalled for too; the FLQ never had that much of a following. Stuff like the October crisis pretty much alienated them from even hardline seperatists and caused their downfall.
  4. AGITprop
    My godfather told me that when this was happening, all the immigrants he knew were going out and buying machine guns to defend themselves because they thought it was going to turn into a civil war, and these people were ready to defend themselves against the nationalists.
  5. RNK
    The FLQ was a markedly important event, but unfortunately one overshadowed by irrational beliefs.

    I for one somewhat admire the FLQ, and am inspired by what they did accomplish. However, they seemed to confuse race and nationality and language with hard-line socialist issues, blaming Anglos and English Canada for all of their problems without realizing the fact that a bourgeoisie dickfuck is a bourgeoisie dickfuck whether he speaks French or English. They seemed to think eradicating the English language would somehow free them.

    But it's important because it was a good example of a modern-ish era insurrectionary movement in its pivotal nascent stages, and from that standpoint is very interesting and helpful.
  6. nvm
    However, they seemed to confuse race and nationality and language with hard-line socialist issues, blaming Anglos and English Canada for all of their problems without realizing the fact that a bourgeoisie dickfuck is a bourgeoisie dickfuck whether he speaks French or English. They seemed to think eradicating the English language would somehow free them.
    I almost hear the word nationalist socialism.
    The same thing was what Hitler did and the victims were the Jews.

    I for one somewhat admire the FLQ
    I wanna be around when you shave your head and scream SIEG HEIL
  7. Bear MacMillan
    The FLQ was a markedly important event, but unfortunately one overshadowed by irrational beliefs.

    I for one somewhat admire the FLQ, and am inspired by what they did accomplish. However, they seemed to confuse race and nationality and language with hard-line socialist issues, blaming Anglos and English Canada for all of their problems without realizing the fact that a bourgeoisie dickfuck is a bourgeoisie dickfuck whether he speaks French or English. They seemed to think eradicating the English language would somehow free them.

    But it's important because it was a good example of a modern-ish era insurrectionary movement in its pivotal nascent stages, and from that standpoint is very interesting and helpful.
    Another good example of a modern insurrectionary movement would be the Mohawk Warrior Society

    They actually fought the SQ and Canadian Army directly.
  8. nvm
    Another good example of a modern insurrectionary movement would be the Mohawk Warrior Society
    I met some Mohawk warriors in Tyendinaga when I went to a solidarity trip there. They re very cool . We made a movie there but I don;t have the link to it right now. (I hope u know what happened in Tyendinaga).
  9. RNK
    Same thing that's happened everywhere.

    And I agree. This is why I believe the Native population will be at the forefront of any major movement, if only because they need to be.
  10. victim77
    victim77
    I met some Mohawk warriors in Tyendinaga when I went to a solidarity trip there. They re very cool . We made a movie there but I don;t have the link to it right now. (I hope u know what happened in Tyendinaga).
    Can you get me a link to some info on that? We talked about it a bit in history today but I wanna get some more info.
  11. nvm
    Can you get me a link to some info on that? We talked about it a bit in history today but I wanna get some more info.
    http://www.cmaq.net/node/29907

    The article of the IMT will soon be up on www.marxist.ca
    Also there is a movie as I said above . I ' ll have the link tomorrow
  12. AGITprop
    Yes, the Mohawk are very militant, and after our visit to Tyendinaga a few weeks ago, and discussing with them, we've concluded that we are fighting the same enemy, the capitalists and the state.

    I also agree that they are some of the most valuable allies for proletarian revolution.

    I have a lot of respect for the Mohawk and all Natives who are standing up against their oppressors.

    As for the FLQ and the question of Quebec's sovereignty, it basically comes down to francophone capitalists who want to oust the anglophone capitalists and are translating this into an issue of hate. They have turned the working class of Quebec against itself. We must combat this bourgeois campaign and spread a message of class solidarity that cuts across language barriers.
  13. Charles Xavier
    FLQ were ultra-leftist adventurist terrorists. The War Measures Act caused a lot of progressive people to get in a lot of trouble.
  14. Andre vasily (NTFA)
    Reading this thread actually got me fucking pissed.

    First, the FLQ where profoundly influenced by marx. They considered them selves to be Marxist Leninist. Remember that much of the left wing insurrectionist movements of that time was influenced by national liberation struggles (IRA, ETA, MIL, SANDINISTAS, FARC, SLA, BLA, PLO, FLN. THE LIST GOES ON AND ON). This does not make them national socialists.

    Second, they where not against anglophones. There position was that in the 60'S and 70's the bourgeoisie was the anglo community generally speaking... A french speaking worker in the 60's could not get a union job or a good job for that matter. Making by elimination the french community in general the proletariat. The FLQ never attacked any working class anglophones and even say in there manifesto that the working class french have more in common with the working class anglophone then with the french elite.

    Third The situation was very similar to the one in northern Ireland. Where you would find groups like the official Irish republican army opposing sectarianism between Catholic protestant communities and fighting for separation from foreign imperialism. the fight for national liberation was the fight against foreign lead capitalism.

    Lastly, I am my self a Anarcho communist and oppose the concept of national liberation. But i sure as hell know my history, and anyone who even mentions anything in common between the FLQ and National socialism is profoundly ignorant. One very good book to read on the FLQ and the history of quebec is ''le petit manuel de l'histoire du quebec'' or the small manual of the history of quebec. It was donne in the late 70s by a Marxist. Explains very well the connection with class struggle and cultural identity at the time.

    Now we must also learn to differentiate the REAL FLQ from the copy cat manifestos of that we have seen these last years. Sadly leftwing politics in the seperatist movement have been replaced with fascist tendency's. This is very new. In a nut shell the separatist movement in quebec is living what every other national liberation struggle is living. Slowly the leftwing elements of those movements are being rooted out, assassinated, exiled by extreme religious fundamentalist ideologies within there movements. Let us remember that the PLO was the only legitimate peoples army against Israeli apartheid. And now thanks to the Hamas, financed by the CIA to illuminate communism destroyed the possibility of a socialist revolution in Palestine. The same situation applies in Lebanon with the Hezbollah and how the single handedly destroyed the left.

    Last thing, before going and saying stupid shit about stuff you do not know, please fucking use google or something...