Tactics to convert feminists to Marxists?

  1. OI OI OI
    What are some good tactics to convert feminists to Marxists?

    I ve heard of the classic

    "How can a woman be equal under capitalism when there is no universal and free babysitting facilities, when she has to do the cleaning and housework etc?, while under socialism , with the higher productive capacity of the system and less waste there will be universal and free daycare, etc etc"

    Any other tactics in order to aproach and convert feminists?
  2. apathy maybe
    Then again, why would you want to convert "feminists" to Marxism? Why not Anarchism?

    What sort of feminists anyway? Just general feminists? They are more likely to be attracted to anarchism.

    A thread on the issue.
    http://www.revleft.com/vb/humanistic...chism+feminism
  3. OI OI OI
    hmm in montreal most feminists are tending towards communism not anarchism but they are kinda wishy washy Marxists and tend to have some reformist ideas.

    But in general they gather along the "statist" left.

    Why wouldn't I want to convert Feminists to Marxists?

    We are not all anarchists like yourself.
  4. apathy maybe
    hmm in montreal most feminists are tending towards communism not anarchism but they are kinda wishy washy Marxists and tend to have some reformist ideas.

    But in general they gather along the "statist" left.

    Why wouldn't I want to convert Feminists to Marxists?

    We are not all anarchists like yourself.
    Why Marxism? Marxism is, after all, bunk.
    Basically, trying to "convert" feminists (and you don't even bother to talk about what sort of feminists) to "Marxism" (and you don't even both to talk about what sort of Marxism, presumably your variant of corrupt Trotism) is silly.

    A much better idea would be just to convince them that capitalism is a load of bollocks, and equality for all is not possible under capitalism. They can then move to which ever anti-capitalist position they want.

    But trying to convert them to your specific brand of "Marxism" is likely to turn off more then you turn on. Speaking from experience here.
  5. TC
    TC
    What are some good tactics to convert feminists to Marxists?

    I ve heard of the classic

    "How can a woman be equal under capitalism when there is no universal and free babysitting facilities, when she has to do the cleaning and housework etc?, while under socialism , with the higher productive capacity of the system and less waste there will be universal and free daycare, etc etc"

    Any other tactics in order to aproach and convert feminists?
    Why do you presume that under capitalism child care and menial domestic labor are necessarily performed by women disproportionately? Its true that this is the case more often than not in most capitalist societies in most two parent households but this is far from a universal living arrangement, or one that women are pressed into the way women in feudalism and theocracy are.

    Your line further seems to equate women in general with *mothers* falling into the reactionary patriarchal assumption that women can be reduced to their biology.
  6. JimmyJazz
    JimmyJazz
    It sounds like you personally could give two shits about feminism, OI.