which affiliation is yours

I've applied to join the CWI, just waiting for a response.

I'm from Canada but the branch seems to have the same name here.

If I join an organization any time soon it will be the ISO. I think the League for the Revolutionary Party (LRP) has a much better political program but they are too tiny and only have two brances.

Closest to the ICL.

The only active Bolshevik-Leninist group here has observer status in the Fourth International (United Secretariat). It's not the best option, but it's the only one that exists. I am thinking about joining the group.

The only active Bolshevik-Leninist group here has observer status in the Fourth International (United Secretariat). It's not the best option, but it's the only one that exists. I am thinking about joining the group.

Don't do it, comrade. You are far better politically than the centrist swamp that is the USFI. Start your own group, perhaps?

Actually, having asked around about the Workers' Struggle group (the group I referenced in my previous post), they're far worse than the standard USFI party. The height of their activism was petty vandalism against the ruling party, but they seem to have abandoned even that in favour of extreme economism. Browsing through their newspaper, one gets the impression that politics doesn't exist to these people - only trade unions.

I thought about starting something, but I know, at most, three people who might be persuaded to join... I don't think that's enough.

Actually, having asked around about the Workers' Struggle group (the group I referenced in my previous post), they're far worse than the standard USFI party. The height of their activism was petty vandalism against the ruling party, but they seem to have abandoned even that in favour of extreme economism. Browsing through their newspaper, one gets the impression that politics doesn't exist to these people - only trade unions.

I thought about starting something, but I know, at most, three people who might be persuaded to join... I don't think that's enough.

Well, that is small -- you could contact the ICL -- they might provide a little support -- They certainly do not have a section in your country -- the only other group I would consider is Revolutionary Regroupment -- but they are tiny. One or two people in New York and a small group in Brazil. They are a split from the IBT -- a group that was founded by people that couldn't make in the IST (predecessor of the ICL). The BT is now led by Bill Logan, a very dubious character. They are moribund in the US with one real local in Toronto and another in New Zealand. The IG is okay, too, although I think they are somewhat impressionistic.

I'll do that; I can't be the only communist in these hinterlands that has an interest in the Sparts. Incidentally, who should I write to? I've been staring at their website for about quarter of an hour, and, either I'm too tired or there is no contact or secretariat section listed.

I am not in the United States, though, nor do I plan to come there any time soon. I am in broad agreement with the ICL/Spartacists on ideological issues, not necessarily on tactical matters. If the ICL responds to my question, and if it turns out that there are other Spartacist sympathisers here, I assure you we won't harass "left-wing" groups (we'd have to find one first). Nor, in all probability, will we spend much time worshiping Robertson.

Anyway, this is a sensitive subject since questioning certain norms can get you banned on this site, unlike, say, being a Zionist or primmie, but I think it's clear from the recent Florida case that the age of consent laws are used selectively to harass those who dissent from patriarchy and "family values". Child molestation could be persecuted even without those laws (not that I am calling for their repeal) since it results in obvious physical and mental harm.

Why do Trots have so many tendencies. Shouldn't we try to unite under one flag?

"Trotskyism" encompasses a wide-variety of beliefs, with many of them, to me, can be considered to have flaws that are anti-Marxist, anti-Leninist, and anti-Trotskyist. This goes from ultra-lefts to reformists. The "Trotskyist" ideologies that have serious individual flaws are not a group of people I would unite with under one banner (I would gladly work with them and try to get them to a complete and legitimate Trotskyism, but I would not unite with them politically).

I'd say I'm mostly interested in the League for the Revolutionary Party. I got interested in the Sparts a little over a month ago, but the LRP's works really convinced me recently of their own politics.

So you de facto support NAMBLA?

What the hell was the purpose of this post? Just to try and stir shit up?

What the hell was the purpose of this post? Just to try and stir shit up?

If it weren't for the threat of being silenced by being banned, it'd be a really good issue to discuss.

If it weren't for the threat of being silenced by being banned, it'd be a really good issue to discuss.

Agreed, it would be an interesting issue to discuss (age of consent, not nambla), but to say that the ICL 'supports' nambla is a bit of a misnomer. Geiseric was just shit slinging as usual.